Beep Codes on new motherboard

I have put together a new system with an Asus M2V mobo running Ami Bios. At present I just have the CPU  and heatsink installed, no memory, graphics card or any peripherals. Monitor and PSU are OK.
Bios beep is one long and two short indicating no graphics card. I have tried installing two graphics cards, one PCI and one PCI E, but I still get the same beep error code. I'm pretty sure there is nothing wrong with either graphics card.
If I install one stick of RAM the beeps stop but I still have no graphics. Can anyone suggest what might be wrong or what else I can try.
Many thanks
Matthew
medcomputersAsked:
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nobusCommented:
you have to install a minimum  mobo + cpu + 1 ram stick at least, video card.
and about what video card are we talking  ?
did you also connect power to the video card (if required ) ?
medcomputersAuthor Commented:
Hi nobus
Thanks for swift reply. I have been having a lot os problems with this installation and thought I would go back to basics to resolve one problem at a time.
The PCI E card is nVidia G Force 6 series SPPX45 and yes I have connected extra 6 pin power to the card.
When I have the nVidia card and 1 stick of RAM installed I get no beeps but no graphics.I'm stuck.
Matthew
edbedbCommented:
It sounds like there is a problem the memory. Have you tried using a different RAM module in one of the other slots?
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nobusCommented:
and your ps can handle the load?  What size is it?
check with a power calculator to get an idea :
http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

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medcomputersAuthor Commented:
Hi guys
I have two matched pairs of 2gb 240 pin DDR2 Dimms which are in the first two memory slots as per mobo instructions. I don't have another mobo to check them on but they are brand bew and from a reliable source.As long as they are in the correct slots I get no error beeps.
PSU is 600 watts and brand new. I have used calculator and I'm sure it is plenty of power especially as at the moment all I have connected is CPU, Heatsink, PCI E graphics and memory. No hard drives or any other peripherals at the moment.
I am a bit baffled, just no video display.
I've just had a thought, could it be dead CMOS battery?
I'll let you know.
Matthew
edbedbCommented:
Here is what I am thinking. When you install the memory, the system does not boot far enough to complain about the video. What happens if you install the memory without any display adapter?
medcomputersAuthor Commented:
Hi edbedb
Changing CMOS battery made no difference
If I remove graphics card and leave memory fans are going, no error beeps.Not sure what that means as with Ami Bios no graphics is usually indicated by 1 long and 2 short beeps as I said above.
Matthew
edbedbCommented:
So it is worse with the memory installed. Do you another RAM module on hand to try?
medcomputersAuthor Commented:
Hi edbedb
Unfortunately I don't. I a bit confused as to why I don't get any memory error codes, 1 long and three short, whatever combination I try.
Matthew
edbedbCommented:
I think it is probably a bad MB but I would at least try one module at a time in different sockets. I would also confirm that the memory is good although it is not likely that they are both bad.
nobusCommented:
it looks like a bad video card to me; but it can also be the ondoard circuitry.
Can you test with another video card, or test this card on another PC?
nobusCommented:
since you get no beeps, it seems everything is recognised in post (so it looks like the ram is ok)
medcomputersAuthor Commented:
Hi guys
Looks like I'm stuck with another bad mobo! This was supposed to be a replacement for the other mobo you helped me with.
I have tried another cheap PCI graphics card and that dosen't work either, I guess that reinforces the possibility of a faulty mobo?
Someone needs to invent a basic mobo tester without having to try a variety of different options none of which are conclusive.
Not sure what to do next without going to more expense.
Matthew
medcomputersAuthor Commented:
Hi edbedb:
Thanks for suggestion. As it happens I do have one of these diagnosic cards.I'm a bit wary of the way it works as every time I try it out it produces a different result. However I have just tried it several times in my mobo and it usually comes up with the codes "d5 d4". According to the diagnostic card manual d5 means"RUNTIME code is un-compressed and d4 means"Chipset Initialization/auto memory about to begin. Check SIMM for mismatch" Do you think this implies I have the wrong kind of memory? I tried to be very careful when purchasing the memory to find the right kind.
Also do you know why the diagnostic card also has attached a paralell port and usb connection?
Thanks
Matthew
edbedbCommented:
I got one of those cards several years ago (I think I still have it) but I couldn't make much sense about the codes or the manual. I have been thinking about getting another one hoping they are better now.
"Check SIMM for mismatch" It does imply it is the wrong memory, exactly what memory do you have?
medcomputersAuthor Commented:
Hi edbedb:
I have checked with mobo manual and as far as i can see memory is correct. I have 2 x 2GB DDR2 PC2 5300 667Mhz modules installed. They are a matched pair in the first two yellow slots on the mobo. They were also advertised as suitable for AM2 processors which is installed on this mobo.
Matthew
edbedbCommented:
What Asus M2V motherboard do you have? The one I checked takes DDR800. It also says it supports 2GB RAM but there are not any 2GB listed in the Qualifed Vendors List.
edbedbCommented:
I'm sorry, that was wrong. I was looking at the wrong page.
I still believe the problem is with the motherboard but the only way for you to know for sure is to try some other RAM.
medcomputersAuthor Commented:
Hi edbedb
You are quite right in that 2GB RAM does not appear on QVL. However under Memory Configurations in the manual it quite clearly states 2GB DIMMS are supported in each slot. Alsi I have checked with Crucial and they confirm that the M2V mobo supports 4 x 2GB modules of the type I have giving a maximum of 8GB support. The only snag is that each 2GB module costa approx. £50.
Matthew
edbedbCommented:
Well, like I said I think it's the motherboard anyway. Did you try that diagnostic card with the RAM removed?
medcomputersAuthor Commented:
Hi edbedb
If I remove memory error code is EE 07 and 1 long/2 short beeps. Not sure what error code means but beeps are"An error was encountered in the video BIOS ROM, or a horizontal retrace failure has been encountered." Same error message if I take graphics card out as well. Do you know what "horizontal retrace failure" means?
Matthew
edbedbCommented:
I don't know what "horizontal retrace failure" means but it appears that the MB won't play nice with neither the RAM or video card. I would RMA it.
nobusCommented:
horizontal retrace is a term coming from the CRT technology, where the electron beam - after having trvelled from left to right fro writing a line, must return without being seen (it is blanked); this is the horizontal retrace.
there is a vertical retrace also

so it seems i was correct , since i posted :  it looks like a bad video card to me; but it can also be the onboard circuitry.
i never use postcards - they give you only the correct info on very simple failures, which you can test easily by swapping out parts (which is what you need to do in the end)

and a DOA is not uncommon for mobo's..
medcomputersAuthor Commented:
Hi guys
Thanks for posts. Not quite sure what you mean by RMA & DOA? Think I get the drift but could you confirm? Dead on Arrival?
Many thanks
Matthew
edbedbCommented:
RMA=Return merchandise authorization. Contact the vendor of the motherboard to request a refund or replacement. If that is not possible then contact the manufacturer for warranty repair.
nobusCommented:
DOA = Dead on arrival...(as you supposed)
medcomputersAuthor Commented:
Hi guys
Sorry about delay but there have beeen developments.Having changed the CMOS battery I thought it might be worth trying to clear the CMOS as well. It has proved to be a good move as I'm now in the process of installing Windows 7 as I type.
I had to try various combinations of graphics cards and memory and there was only one that worked. I'm using a very old PCI S3 Trio Virge graphics card with 1x2GB RAM. I found if I put both of my 2GB memory sticks in it wouldn't boot.I found if I installed my PCI E nVidia graphics card it wouldn't boot either but I did receive 1 long, 3 short, pause and 2 beeps very close together. Something I've not heard before and not sure what it means.
I'm still really baffled as to what exactly is going on here. If I cab get Windows 7 working smoothly I'm thinking of trying PCI E graphics and 2nd stick of memory again.Do you think that is a good idea.
I really thought he problem was with the mobo like you and was about to give up. From my limited experience it seems extremely difficult sometimes to isolate the exact problem, there are so many variables which are interconnected when setting up a computer.
Matthew
edbedbCommented:
You said the PSU was good. I am not so sure.
nobusCommented:
>>  PCI E nVidia graphics card it wouldn't boot either    <<  it can be bad
and the ram, - is that on the compatibility list?
verify here :  http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/socketAM2/M2V/E2582_M2V.pdf
also check the proper working voltage and timings !

all in all, i suppose you have 2 problems playing together, so i suggest to test all on a known working pc
medcomputersAuthor Commented:
Hi nobus
I'm sure you are right there are at least two problems running here. The problem is I don't have the resources to try either the PCI E graphics card or 240 pin RAM on another known working computer.
Could I ask just one more question about checking voltages and timings? I'm not sure what this involves and your advice would be appreciated.
Matthew
nobusCommented:
what model video card is it? and how many power connectors does it have?  if 2 connect BOTH
calculate also the power you need for your setup : http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp
(you can also calculate only what power your card uses)
medcomputersAuthor Commented:
Hi nobus
I have done that. I have a 600watt PSU which is more than adequate for my setup including PCI E graphics card which has 1 power connector which is  connected to PSU. Could you tell me how I adjust timings?
Thanks
Matthew
nobusCommented:
i assume you connected both
what timings  are you asking?
medcomputersAuthor Commented:
nobus

You mentioned voltage and timings in your previous email. That is why I was asking about timings.

Matthew
nobusCommented:
you have to check them on the ASUS page, and specs of the ram !
medcomputersAuthor Commented:
Hi guys
I think there are several problems here and it is going to be very difficult to isolate them without more resources. I do now have a bootable system running XP Pro with a S3 Trio Virge PCI graphics card but I still can't use my PCI E graphics card or second 2GB stick of RAM.
Thank you both for all your help and advice. I guess it is best to close the question for now.
Matthew
medcomputersAuthor Commented:
Still not quite sure where the problems lie. Could be faulty mobo, graphics card, memory module, or a combination. Very difficult to isolate unless each component can be tested on a known working system.
nobusCommented:
tx for the feedback.
i would  investigate each possible problem part separately.
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