DL360 Hard Drive Upgrade

swappedsr
swappedsr used Ask the Experts™
on
Alright guys, I am in the process of upgrading hard drives on my Exchange box.  It originally had two 36.4gb drives in it, I ended up getting two 72.8gb drives in the machine today.  I pulled one 36.4gb drive and put in the new drive, let it rebuild and did the same for the second drive.  From what I have been reading it says I should extend the drive using the Array Configuration Utility.  However, I found something that I thought was a little off, the Array utility gives me some strange numbers, it is saying the logical drive is 34gb and the unused space is 69gb.  If I hit extend will this adjust the total logical drive size to 69gb and maintain the raid 1 setup?  These numbers just don't make sense to me.  This is a production server just want to make that clear.  Also, see attached screenshot.  All I want to do is retain raid 1 and just have the 72.8gb logical drive size minus the overhead.  

Thanks in advance.
Exchange.gif
Comment
Watch Question

Do more with

Expert Office
EXPERT OFFICE® is a registered trademark of EXPERTS EXCHANGE®

Author

Commented:
Sorry you might have zoom in after downloading the attached screenshot, it is defaulting at 75% and unreadable.
IT Product Manager
Top Expert 2009
Commented:
Yes, this is exactly how it should work. You need to allocate the space to current partition(s) via RAID array utility. But prior to pressing Extend take backup of your 36.4GB partition(s). This is obligatory.
Another way is using Partitioning tool such as Partition Manager 11 Server Edition www.partition-manager.com ($300) or free one Parted Magic 4 www.partedmagic.com

Author

Commented:
What should I use to backup these partitions?
Ensure you’re charging the right price for your IT

Do you wonder if your IT business is truly profitable or if you should raise your prices? Learn how to calculate your overhead burden using our free interactive tool and use it to determine the right price for your IT services. Start calculating Now!

noxchoIT Product Manager
Top Expert 2009

Commented:
Do you use any backup tool for your internal backup policy? If not then you can use trial version of Paragon Drive Backup 10 Server Edition: www.drive-backup.com
In case something goes wrong you will be able to boot the server from Recovery CD and restore from image.
Also, there are other backup tool vendors such as Symantec, Acronis etc. But Paragon is easiest to use.

Author

Commented:
Yeah, I guess I can just extend our current backup today and backup the C drive as it is the only partition.



Author

Commented:
We have backupexec btw.

Author

Commented:
Also, once this is done and I go to extend the drive, if you check the screenshot I should type in the full 69452 and not the default 34726, correct?
noxchoIT Product Manager
Top Expert 2009

Commented:
It says that you can select space between 34726 and 69452 which is max of available space. I would select 69400. So leaving 52MB at the end.

Author

Commented:
Why would you leave 52mb at the end?  Also, little worried, trying to figure out if my controller even supports logical drive extension, the dl360 is an old G1.  I am trying to find info on this Smart Array 5302/128 integrated controller it has.
noxchoIT Product Manager
Top Expert 2009

Commented:
52MB is left for the cases if you could like to convert the drive into dynamic and build some dynamic configurations in future. But if no such plans then use full available space.
And finally if Utility gives you such option as extending - then it does support it.
BTW, does Windows Disk Management see this free unallocated space?

Author

Commented:
Disk management does not see the free space, which also worries me.

Author

Commented:
And this array controller utility sometimes crashes when I open it for some reason, not sure why, using Array Configuration Utility 7.61.2.0, maybe it isn't the correct version.
noxchoIT Product Manager
Top Expert 2009

Commented:
Ok, here is my advice - take backup and go with extension. You loose nothing. If it extends you would need resizing tool as I mentioned before. If it fails - you will have to reconfigure the RAID and restore from backup using Symantec boot CD.

Author

Commented:
If it extends the logical drive to 69 then why would I need the resizing tool?  Also, I have never actually had a disaster recovery scenario, do you know how to make the symantec recovery cd?
noxchoIT Product Manager
Top Expert 2009
Commented:
Normally there is Build Recovery Media option in installed copy of Ghost or Backup Exec. Search for one in your product.
Also, RAID controller does not allocate the space to existing partitions as far as I know. It extends it logically so you find out in Windows Disk Management that your HDD became bigger and there is free space block that you can allocate to C: or D: drive. In case you have Windows 2008 you can allocate it using WDM but for 2000 or 2003 you need to use third party tool.

Author

Commented:
Gotcha.  I am going to go ahead and hit extend, we will see what happens. I know I got a backup of the C drive today, full backup monday (backupexec) and the two drives I pulled yesterday, so I should be good.

Author

Commented:
Not sure how long this will take, but i will keep this updated, also, is there a free third party windows app to allocate space other than parted magic?
noxchoIT Product Manager
Top Expert 2009

Commented:
Now Windows based one that is free. Only Linux based Parted Magic 4.0 www.partedmagic.com
But first wait till the operation completes.

Author

Commented:
Yep, it is in the process as we speak, any idea how long it will take?

Author

Commented:
I will have to play with the parted magic on my machine, need to see how it works.
noxchoIT Product Manager
Top Expert 2009

Commented:
"any idea how long it will take? depends on RAID controller. Could take from 10 minutes to several hours. You will know when it is done via Windows Disk Management.

Author

Commented:
67%, theoretically, it should be done in about an hour and a half hopefully.
noxchoIT Product Manager
Top Expert 2009

Commented:
Good.

Author

Commented:
Moving slow, it is only at 76% now.  

For the parted magic, looks like you have to boot to the cd for this, correct?  You can't do this while the server is online?
noxchoIT Product Manager
Top Expert 2009

Commented:
Yes, correct. Only works from CD and you must be sure that your RAID controller is detected properly.
I personally use Paragon Partition Manager 11 for the purpose of resize and it works as it should even in Windows.

Author

Commented:
I just booted to the parted magic disk on my workstation.  Seems like nice utilities, but kind of risky after reading some stuff on their site.  Namely, you have to reboot right away after you make any changes or else it will run chckdsk etc.  Sounds a little scary.  Hmmmmm....wonder if Acronis makes something cheaper.  Or have you priced this stuff out already?

Author

Commented:
I just talked to my manager about the Paragon software, a little pricey, but we are probably going to look into it.  As far as the parted freeware have you used this on servers?  Will keep this updated, 84%.  
noxchoIT Product Manager
Top Expert 2009

Commented:
Yes, I used almost all partitioning tools such as Partition Magic 8 by Powerquest, Paragon Partition Manager 9-10-11, Acronis Disk Director, BootIt NG, Parted Magic, Gparted (which is actually same as Parted Magic).
So can give assistance with any of these =)
I used Parted Magic twice on servers and once it gave me error plus problems when rebooting to Windows. Restored from backup run CHKDSK and re-run it - second time it worked. On another server it worked without any issue.

Author

Commented:
Yeah, I am not going to risk it on a production server.  I am going for the Paragon software I think, in your opinion, do you think this is the best?  Do you install/uninstall anytime you use it on a server since it is only a one seat license?

Author

Commented:
btw, the server finished yesterday after a little more than 7 hours, was getting a little worried, but the drive is now showing the additional space unallocated in Windows Manager.  
noxchoIT Product Manager
Top Expert 2009

Commented:
He he, showing additional space as predicted.
I can say that Partition Manager 11 is the best in my list. I say this based on my own experience on resize/repartition/recover experience.
I think you can install/deinstall it if you need though license agreement says - only for single server. But it is possible to uninstall and use it on another machine according to my tests.
If you need my instructions on resize take screen shot of Windows Disk Management and explain where would you like to assign the free space to.

Author

Commented:
I am assuming once I get the software, it should be pretty straightforward to expanding the C: drive, I have no other partitions.  I wonder how the unallocated space at this point fits into the raid though, now that it is extended, raid 1 should be replicating even that unallocated space now, correct?  I am going to give you the points and if I have any questions I can repost a follow up assuming there is an issue with the expansion most likely using the Paragon software.  Thanks for the help.
noxchoIT Product Manager
Top Expert 2009

Commented:
As you use hardware RAID1 the changes you do in Windows will be replicated by RAID itself. All you need is to install partitioning tool - run it - in main window right click on C: - select Move\Resize - catch the end of partition (its right border) and drag it to right. So allocating the space to C: this way. Apply changes and resize will complete in few seconds. Done.
Good luck and thanks for points.
Nox

Author

Commented:
Yeah, I was just think in terms of raid 1 and the unallocated space namely.  I am sure even though in my computer the c: drive only shows 34gb that is still replicating the unallocated space over the two drives too.

Author

Commented:
I bought the paragon software, worked like a charm, I was able to resize the C: partition with the unallocated space.  I then was able to increase the database size of my exchange server.  Thanks for the help.



noxchoIT Product Manager
Top Expert 2009

Commented:
thanks for feedback. Have a nice weekend
Nox

Do more with

Expert Office
Submit tech questions to Ask the Experts™ at any time to receive solutions, advice, and new ideas from leading industry professionals.

Start 7-Day Free Trial