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Does anyone no a way of increasing Remote Terminal Sessions on SBS 2008?

So does anyone no a way of increasing Remote Terminal Sessions on SBS 2008? They restrict you to 2, is there a package out there that one can use like Elusiva Pro but that works with SBS 2008?
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i2o

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OK, finally they got back to me and said that teh Enterprise Versions will not do what I want after they said it would :-(
So does anyone no a way of increasing Remote Terminal Sessions on SBS 2008?
bbaoIT Consultant

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just enable Terminal Server on SBS 2008, but you need to make sure you do have additional licenses for the terminal server and its client computers.

"To use a terminal server in your organization, you must have a Windows Server 2008 license for every terminal server that you deploy in your organization, as well as Terminal Server Client Access Licenses (CALs) for devices that access the terminal server. For a terminal server that is running Windows Server 2008, there are the following two types of Terminal Server CALs:

* Per Device
* Per User"

FYI

Using Terminal Services in Windows Small Business Server 2008
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd262139(WS.10).aspx

hope it helps,
bbao
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SBS is not meant to be a terminal server, nor was SBS 2003. Doing so puts your server at *extreme* risk because it is a domain controller. The only reason it even allows 2 terminal connections is for *administrative* purposes. They were not, and are not, meant for end-users.

A common practice for companies that need this is to purchase or upgrade to SBS 2008 Premium and use the second server as a terminal server. The second server is not a domain controller and can have any server role that 2008 supports installed on it, including the TS role. TS CALs are required, but it is a solution I deploy with regularity for my customers.
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Just to re-iterate that point, the link that bbao posted even states this as cut'n'pasted below and put the important sentence in bold:
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Review the following guidelines before you configure Terminal Services with Windows SBS 2008:

Use the second server that is included with Windows SBS 2008 Premium for Terminal Services. You cannot use a server that is running Windows SBS 2008 as a terminal server. Terminal Services does not coexist well with the rest of the applications and services that are included with Windows SBS 2008.
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i2o

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People :-) , I knnnoooowww it is not meant for TS and that it is bad practise and all that. The reality is that this site has it because someone never thought it thru and so they are stuck with it and I was called in to put in what was already purchased. They have a very limited budget so that is why I am looking for a work around. BBAO as CGALTHER says you cannot run it as a Term server, so your comment is not actually correct (but thatnx for the response)

I had a similar situation a while back, with SBS 2003 and I loaded Elusiva Pro and bingo all was well. However the same package does not support 2008. So that is why i was asking if anyone knows of a similar package.

CGALITHER with the Premium you have deployed does the second licence run on separate hardware, or is there a way to have it on one server?


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I won't pull punches.  I *kkkkkknnnnnnoooooowwwwwwwww* that stealing cars is bad, but I *really* wanted to drive a Ferrari so I went ahead and "borrowed" my neighbor's car anyways.

Same thing here. Your customer purchased SBS. You aren't trying to give them what they purchased. You are trying to give them *more* than they purchased. You are trying to give them a terminal server, which SBS 2008 doesn't support, period. Yes, I'm familiar with Elusiva's product line....they also claim you can run it on XP, which is a desktop OS and doing so *blatantly* breaks XP's EULA, but they don't tell you this when they sell you the product. In short, they are into some very deceptive business practices, use security loopholes in software to make their product run, and in my humble opinion, should be avoided like the plague.

Vista/Win7/2k8/2k8R2 are more secure than XP and 2k3, so those loopholes simply don't exist to be exploited, but Elusiva's abusive software or someone else's. So this may be harsh, but you are simply trying to force a square peg into a round hole.

Now I'm not trying to sell you on MS's solution. Citrix also makes a good terminal server solution. And again, it doesn't run on the SBS server, and again, it requires legitimate licensing of CALs (which Elusiva did not and again they didn't warn you or tell you of this.) So if you want to go that route, you can do so as well. I happen to think that MS's solution is less expensive for the small business, so for the budget concious, it is what I recommend.

to answer your final question, SBS premium comes with the SBS server and a license for win2k8 server standard. Win2k8 Server Standard has a licensing clause for virtualization which allows you to run in as a 1+1 (1 physical + 1 virtual) so long as the physical installation *only* has the hyper-v role installed. So, yes, you *can* run everything on one box provided you use the 1+1 licensing to install Win2k8 Standard (or Hyper-V Server or Hyper-V R2 Server or VMWare ESXi if you so choose) on the physical server and then install SBS 2008 as one virtual server and one Win2k8 Standard Edition as a second virtual server. You need a server that can handle this, but it works well and have TS virtualized at several of my clients, fully legal, fully functional, and relatively inexpensive.
i2o

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As I am not familiar with the Hyper V thing, questions:
1. I presume I will have to start from scratch, as in, a clean install to accomplish what you are suggesting?
2. Does the Hyper V then run 'on top' of the Win 2008 Std?
3. What is the difference in the 3 Hyper xxx you mentioned?
4. Are any extra TS CALS (or RDP CALS or whatever they call it now) required?
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1) Hyper-V is a virtualization technology, and yes, you'd start from scratch.

2) No. Hyper-V actually runs "below" Win2k8. Even though you install win2k8 first, the installer that runs when you install the Hyper-V role makes fundamental changes that wedges Hyper-V between win2k8 and the hardware. So it doesn't run "on top" of the OS the way most people conceptually think and visualize programs usually do. Other hypervisors also operate this way, so hyper-v is not unique.

3) There are many, and fans of each will espouse that theirs is better. Think of Mac vs PC. Personally though, if this is your first foray into virtualization, sticking with one platform will certainly be easier, so I'd recommend Hyper-V. MS is good with documentation, they *support* SBS on Hyper-V, so if you have problems you can call support and they won't say "that's not supported" and the tools for management are built into the OS.  In other words, the learning curve is not nearly as steep.

4) Yes. TS CALs are required for a TS server. One per user or device (your choice, whatever makes most financial sense) accessing the TS server.
i2o

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Thanks for that, last questions - I hope :-)

1. They have SBS 2008 std with an extra 5 user CAL (so 10 users)
     Therefore they would (in your senario) need an extra 5 TS CALs for premium on top of these to get TS access?
2. Are the 5 extra user CAL's 'transferable' to Premium?
3. Do you have any idea how much roughly the upgrade is. I know I have to get hold of the Microsoft agents here, but weekend and
    all that?
4. Is Hyper V a 'free' package?
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1) Yes, they'd probably need 5 TS CALs.
2) Standard SBS CALs can be used with SBS Premium, but cannot access SQL Server (another component that comes with SBS Premium.) If these users were to want SQL access then they'd need to purchase SBS Premium CALs. However, as long as SQL is not being used, standard CALs will provide access to both servers just fine. This does not alleviate the need for TS CALs though, just to be clear.
3) Haven't priced it recently. No idea. This also very regional so I wouldn't be comfortable quoting a price from my vendor. Contact a vendor you are comfortable with, that is my advice.
4) Yes, Hyper-V is a free role available on Server 2008 and later.
i2o

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OK, all clear thanks a lot.