Vista search function disabled when indexing is off

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I would like to be able to search but with indexing off, it doesn't work:

I disabled indexing by Explore/C:/properties/General/uncheck Index
Now when I seach it doesn't find anything.

I would also like to know why it seems to run my hard drive so long & frequentlty just to index the file names.
Thank you.
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Indexing would substancialy decrease the search time. Searching by string takes a very long time compaired to searching by an index. Searching without index should still work but would take forever. That is why you are using the hdd longer.

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Searching actually does not work - not even in a subfolder with 50 files.

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I would suggest using google desktop search, Found it to be faster than the windows one.
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So far I am using free " xploer2 ".
I think any add on desktop would clog up my system .
Ben Personick (Previously QCubed)Lead SaaS Infrastructure Engineer

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If you turn off the search indexing of the Windows search functionality you have to turn on the classic search indexing which is set to manual and not started by default.

better plan upgrade to Win7 ^^

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Thank you. I can't find the classic search switch.

The Vista Search function has turned itself back on for a few folders.

While I like Vista in general (I bought long after the introduction) IMO Microsoft Windows organization & ease of use of functions is all about perpetual planned obsolescence.
I really don't like that there is no explanation for why the indexing takes hours and has few and poor user controls.
Ben Personick (Previously QCubed)Lead SaaS Infrastructure Engineer

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Indexing should happen in the background in Vista, and in 7 they tuned it even better, you really shouldn't notice any lag except in very old hardware.  I used Vista from early on and never had any issues, but I like 7 all together much more.
Ben Personick (Previously QCubed)Lead SaaS Infrastructure Engineer

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there is no such thing as classic search in Vista or Win7, Vista can have the search upgraded to a better version close to Win7 though.

  If you turn off the new form of searche's indexing searches will take forever, but you can turn on the old version of indexing, and it may help, I think it's worse.  to do that go to start, control panel, admin tools, services, and scroll down untill you see the "Indexing" or "Microsoft Indexing" service, and start it.

  It is actually a much slower form of search indexing.  I really do suggest you move ti Win7 or update your copy of Vista.  Or check out your hardware, the search indexing should be almost transparent.

  Ocasionally I'd see a 10 second hiccup from saving a file to when is showed up in search results in Vista.

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The service is not listed where you say. The only the is 'Indexing Options' which has the very poor interface & no explanations.
My computer is very fast & updated Dell Vista Business.
Thank you.
Ben Personick (Previously QCubed)Lead SaaS Infrastructure Engineer

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well my bad could have sworn Vista still had the old indexing just turned off I'm using 7 now.  I guess that there is nothing else you can do then.  However yous till haven't explained why you think the search indexing is killing your computer if it's so fast and new.

  You haven;t installed Google's desktop engine or another competing search engine have you?  they will slow down the performance of your machine particularly if regular window search is still enabled.

 A lot of the other search engines will actually use the vista/7 search files too and may not function if you turn that off.

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I like the searches using the index service, though it seems to miss some items. My problem with it is it seems to work my hard drive excessively. If it had easily accesible manual updates or scheduled updates options then I could deal with it.
Another thing is I don't understand why it takes hours to create a database of file names.
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It generally doesn't and it shouldn't.  I have never turned off vista or 7 indexing and turned it back on.  However I have installed the operating system and copied 10s of thousands of files of various types to the areas it keeps an active index of and never had any issues in terms of slow searching or excessive hard disk usage.

However did you turn indexing ON for directories other than the default ones?  that isn't a great plan it will make indexing slower but speed up searches..

If I were you I woudl remove every directory from Microsoft Search, enable the updating of Microsoft features and products other than windows, install ALL updates, and then re-enable search indexing on the Desktop, Documents, Downloads, Saved games, Videos, and Pictures folders only.

  You should probably re-enable the indexing on these folders just before bed-time as it may take a couple hours for the initial catalog once you start it if you have a ton of files.

once that is done see how the system performs it should be much better.

If you still have a problem then it sounds like you may actually have Disk issues since you say the computer is new so it wouldn't be limited by the processor or the memory, and you are saying you're seeing so much disk activity.

Before you re-enable search I woudl actually run ChkDsk against the computer.  After which run and re-run the defrag manually until it comes up very low (0%-2%)

that should help too

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Qcubed, I'll select that as best solution. I still think MS needs much improvement of this feature.
Thank you.
Ben Personick (Previously QCubed)Lead SaaS Infrastructure Engineer

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Well, thanks sorry you aren't happy w/ Vista search, good luck and god speed.

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