To build a 64bit Rig. Recommendations needed.

Hi

I have been out of the building PCs for a while, simply not that interested in the latest games et.

But I am now looking to build a new machine for design and media work. Also should be beefy enough to run Starcraft II in top quality.

I was thinking of W7 64bit to sport Adobe CS5.

Assume that money is not an issue, what components would you recommend?

Notes;
I'd prefer watercooling to fans.
After years of AMD is it time for i7?
16Gb RAM min?
RAID5, 1+0 or...
GPU, how many, which brand?

Any ideas suggestions would be appreciated, good sources to buy components too, but these need to be based in the UK.

Thanks
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mcuk_stormConnect With a Mentor Commented:
I have been an AMD person for quite a while but the i7 is a very nice processor, look around about the i7-920 out of preference as you can get 3 channel memory controllers so can have upto 6 DIMMS for expansion in the future. Also you may want to look at http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/builtforadobepros_uk.html about NVIDIA's work to optimise graphics in conjuction with adobe for CS.

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☠ MASQ ☠Commented:
Yes to i7. If you build it for CS5 then SC2 won't be an issue just make sure the graphics card is better than 512 MB GeForce 8800 GTX - but you were going to do that anyway :)
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captainAuthor Commented:
Thanks MASQ.

I was considering better than the 8800GTX, I have that in my old rig but seems that was bought eons ago...

I am thinking top end here. Are there any mobo makes to stay away from or go for...?
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mcuk_stormCommented:
Another nice addition would be a western digital VelociRaptor as a primary disk for a nice fast system without quite as much expense as the SSDs
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captainAuthor Commented:
mcuk_storm,

thanks, I take nvidia is the right choice.

Are there do's and don'ts on the RAM, matched etc...?
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captainAuthor Commented:
I used to have WD Raptor 74GB in R5 on my old PC but swapped these because of noise and heat. Is the VR quieter?
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captainAuthor Commented:
I had contemplated SSD for system disc and temp drive and a data raid...

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Paul SauvéConnect With a Mentor RetiredCommented:
As it happens, I read this article yesterday: The Perfect PC: Don’t Buy It, Build It. It explains 2 different price ranges $500 and $1200.
"Whether you’ve budgeted $500 for a new machine or given yourself $1200 to spend, our editors show you how to create the best system for the money."
© 1998-2010, PCWorld Communications, Inc.
Hope that helps.
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mcuk_stormConnect With a Mentor Commented:
The VelociRaptor's are 2.5" drives though you normally buy them in a 3.5" heatsink, i also have been primarily used to using the 74Gb raptors though haven't found them to be that noisy, they do get warm though. The velociraptors are a bit quieter but still not the quietest of drives but thats the comprimise for a 10k disk i suppose. They have recently released the velociraptors in an SATAIII 6GB/s interface model which may be worth looking at to (just as long as the mobo supports it)

With ram you won't go far wrong with Corsair dominator memory, good passive cooling and reliable you will probably be looking at CL8 memory and from your requirements 6x2GB modules, you can go for 4GB modules which will give you more room to expand but it will hike up the price a bit.

Suppliers I tend to use in the UK:
LambdaTek
Scan
Ebuyer
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☠ MASQ ☠Connect With a Mentor Commented:
We're onto personal favourites now but currently playing with i7 & ASRock MB & GTX  470 with 6GB on W7-64U Corsair memory (Dominator GT) and their modular PSU This an 850 but the whole range are just fantastic!
(Oh, God I'm getting excited about transformers!)  - Runs pretty much everything at top resolution for gaming (with capacity to virtually serve at the same time!) but I'm not a high-end graphics user.
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☠ MASQ ☠Commented:
I've still got reservations about SSD as some MB's still don't handle their speed well and actually buffer them so you lose the performance that you've paid extra for.
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Al JeeConnect With a Mentor Commented:
SSD's tend to be faster at reading and slower at writing.
Your idea of an SSD for the system disk is a good one.
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captainAuthor Commented:
OK, this is what I think so far:

Memory:
Corsair Dorminator 16GB

CPU:
Intel Core i7 970 3.20GHz Quad Core Gulftown 12Mb Cache LGA1366, Retail

Graphics:
 NVIDIA Quadro FX 1800 Graphics adapter - 768 MB - GDDR3

MoBo:
Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R Socket 1366 DDR3 Motherboard

HDD:
Kingston 64GB SSDNow V-Series 2.5inch SATA Solid State
2x Western Digital VelociRaptor 600Gb 10,000RPM SATA6bps 32MB Cache OEM

Case:
Koolance PC4-1025SL 1000W Lian Li V1000 Aluminium Watercooled Tower

I have all other bits like Blu-ray drive and input peripherals kicking about. Anythings else I should consider?


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jamietonerConnect With a Mentor Commented:
For the graphics the quadro card is probably not needed unless you also plan on doing other things like CAD ,Maya, 3ds max. I'd go with the GTX 460, CS5 can use either one as GPGPU but the Fermi based 460 will be faster than the 1800.
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Al JeeCommented:
I would add that 1GB of GRAM would be my choice.
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captainAuthor Commented:
Excellent, that saves probably 2/3rds on the price too...so that allows me to up to a 480

Memory:
Corsair Dominator 16GB 4x4GB

CPU:
Intel Core i7 970 3.20GHz Quad Core Gulftown 12Mb Cache LGA1366, Retail

Graphics:
 Asus 1536MB GDDR5 GeForce GTX480 Dual DVI / Mini HDMI PCI-E

MoBo:
Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R Socket 1366 DDR3 Motherboard

HDD:
Kingston 64GB SSDNow V-Series 2.5inch SATA Solid State
2x Western Digital VelociRaptor 600Gb 10,000RPM SATA6bps 32MB Cache OEM

Case:
Koolance PC4-1025SL 1000W Lian Li V1000 Aluminium Watercooled Tower

OS:
W7 Ultimate 64-bit

Almost there...
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jamietonerConnect With a Mentor Commented:
For the power supply I usually stick with Corsair and PC Power and cooling. Here's a link to the psu that I'm currently running http://uk.buy.com/pr/product.aspx?sku=212816742 however you may want to get something a bit more powerful like these
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143019?utm_source=google&utm_medium=products
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-029-CS&utm_source=froogle
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☠ MASQ ☠Connect With a Mentor Commented:
Do you really want the 480? It's clearly the best performer but not by the margin of the price differential from the 470. You won't notice the difference unless you're seriously pushing 3D video & it's £100 you can put elsewhere. Otherwise it looks great.
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drdoug99Connect With a Mentor Commented:
are you using the two raptors in raid 0 or for storage? Raid 0 they would scream I think. I don't have the specifics of the kingston, but does it support TRIM?

make sure you get trim support

everything else is awesome....all I use are gigabyte  mobos, yes the intels are sweet, even though I am an amd guy.

should be an awesome setup when you are done
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captainAuthor Commented:
@jamietoner

agree but the watercooled case comes with the 1000W PSU already matched. It is pricey but I did not want to watse time handbuilding a water rig...thanks for the heads up though. Maybe I use my old Zalman RESERATOR and find a fitting block for the i7, I guess then I be cheaper but will need to buy a Corsair Gold plus case which only leaves about £40 for the watercooling parts....

@MASQ
You are right maybe a 470 will do, but it has marginally less RAM, though that should not matter?

@drdoug99

OK verified the SSD has TRIM Support - Check, also there is a Corsair one for the same price.
Raptors in R1+0 just for temp storage, files will be moved to NAS for archiving

So we look at:

Memory:
Corsair Dominator 16GB 4x4GB - Confirmed

CPU:
Intel Core i7 970 3.20GHz Quad Core Gulftown 12Mb Cache LGA1366, Retail - Confirmed

Graphics:
 Asus 1536MB GDDR5 GeForce GTX480 Dual DVI / Mini HDMI PCI-E - OR
Asus 1280MB GDDR5 GeForce GTX470 Dual DVI / Mini HDMI PCI-E
MoBo:
Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R Socket 1366 DDR3 Motherboard - Confirmed

HDD:
Kingston 64GB SSDNow V-Series 2.5inch SATA Solid State - OR
Corsair 64GB Nova Series CSSD-V64GB2-BRKT 2.5inch SATA Solid State

2x Western Digital VelociRaptor 600Gb 10,000RPM SATA6bps 32MB Cache  - Confirmed

Case:
Koolance PC4-1025SL 1000W Lian Li V1000 Aluminium Watercooled Tower - Maybe I use my old Zalman RESERATOR

OS:
W7 Ultimate 64-bit - Confirmed

Thoughts? The case question has thrown me now. Ideally this should be an understated and quiet PC but I may already be loudish with the Raptors...
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jamietonerConnect With a Mentor Commented:
Are you sure it comes with a PSU? From what I can find on the case it doesn't come with a power supply(but the vendor you're buying it from may have added one). The 1000w in the product name is the cooling capacity.
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=291&type=expert
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☠ MASQ ☠Commented:
If not Corsair HX 1000
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captainAuthor Commented:
jamietoner, you are correct, it does not mention it and for that it is quite expensive:
http://www.overclock.co.uk/product/Koolance-PC4-1025SL-1000W-Lian-Li-V1000-Aluminium-_1136.html

So I best go for a different case and sort out cooling myself...
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captainAuthor Commented:
Thanks MASQ, will add this to my list.
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captainAuthor Commented:
Anyone know which case brands are well built and not as bling as a police car in fast chase. Ideally I want good quality black design...

Next I guess I'll be asking you to build it ;o)
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jamietonerCommented:
Lian Li are well built, have excellent cooling and are low profile.
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mcuk_stormCommented:
Antec do some nicely made cases
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mcuk_stormCommented:
n.b. the Intel i7 970 is a 6 core
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captainAuthor Commented:
>> i7 970 is a 6 core

Straight cut &paste from www, does not matter in compatibility terms, or...

Will check out Antec.
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captainAuthor Commented:
OK, case design complete.

Memory:
Corsair Dominator 16GB 4x4GB - Confirmed

CPU:
Intel Core i7 970 3.20GHz Gulftown 12Mb Cache LGA1366, 6 Core - Confirmed

Graphics:
Asus 1280MB GDDR5 GeForce GTX470 Dual DVI / Mini HDMI PCI-E - Confirmed

MoBo:
Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R Socket 1366 DDR3 Motherboard - Confirmed

HDD:
Corsair 64GB Nova Series  2.5inch SATA Solid State  - Confirmed
2x Western Digital VelociRaptor 600Gb 10,000RPM SATA6bps 32MB Cache  - Confirmed

Cooling:
Zalman RESERATOR - if I find all the parts...

OS:
W7 Ultimate 64-bit - Confirmed

Case:
Fractal Design Define R2 Black Pearl Midi Tower Case  - Confirmed

PSU:
Corsair HX 1000W ATX2.2 Modular SLi Compliant Silent PSU  - Confirmed


Seems like a bit of a monster. Unless I missed something I should close this out....
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captainAuthor Commented:
I have now ordered the parts, mostly from Scan (cheapest) PSU on ebay and case from CCL. Cannot wait, will be busy weekend...

Trying to close this but have trouble with the site allowing pointsplit, CS has been informed so hopefully will be fixed soon...

Thanks all.
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drdoug99Commented:
one little comment....is this a stand alone machine? I'd go with Windows 7 Home Premium myself....it really has everything u could want for media or gaming. Plus saves you a few bucks...but I understand if you want to go all out you might as well get the Ultimate version.


Professional version gives you XP Mode, but honestly is anyone really going to use that for a home user? I've had no problems with programs and compatiblity with Windows 7.

The ultimate version gives you BitLocker support....personally I'll never use it, and it's a shame that they really didn't give Windows 7 ultimate any really useful bonuses for being the "Ultimate" version.

So if you really need BitLocker, or connecting to a company domain, or windows XP mode....there is really no use of having Ultimate.

Just my two cents.....
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captainAuthor Commented:
The reason I need to go for at least Business is that it hooks up to our AD via VPN so need the domain support, I also have the 64bit already here as I downgrade an old PC to Vista to free up the license.

Thanks for the heads up, but this is both for work and pleasure...
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