You do not have permission to access \\[Computer]\[Drive]

I get the above message when I try to access a shared network drive between two newly installed Win7 Pro machines.  

I can see the drive, it is a permissions problem.

These are on a "Work" network, so I can't use Homegroups-which I am trying to stay away from anyway.

All Network settings are set per Windows help.
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woolnoirConnect With a Mentor Commented:
FILE permissions are accessed by right click drive -> Security, they are the file permissions i have been talkign about and they override anything on the share. By default everyone doesnt have access, only local users and authenticated users do, which could explain why your remote user cant get access.

go to the drive -> security -> and you will see permissions, add everyone as read if you want, but keep in mind the security concerns.
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GridLock137Commented:
Have you checked the UAC - User Access Control and tried to disable that feature?
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JohnGalt22Author Commented:
Do you mean set the slider to the bottom (least secure), or disable it entirely?
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woolnoirCommented:
you have two sets of permissions, the share permissions and the file level permissions, are both set appropriately to grant access ?
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mattibuttCommented:
common cause of this error due to authentication if you try to setup a share location did it ask you for a password of the other computer have supplied correct login details
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JohnGalt22Author Commented:
I assume "share" permissions are set in the "Network  and Sharing" center?

Where are "file level" permissions set?  For EACH Drive or Folder in Windows Explorer?  Oh, brother.......
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GridLock137Commented:
I agree with with 33553333 those would need to be checked as well. Windows 7/2008 are built on tighter security where you would have to remove the security features you don't want to user versus XP where you have to add the security features you want. Out the box these OSs are kind of strict on security so the UAC and the share an file level permissions would have to be check. try disabling the UAC all the way as well as checking the permissions on the share and file level.
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mattibuttCommented:
you can access another computer drive unless it is setup as shared and their a share path also from other computer you need to say share with everyone
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JohnGalt22Author Commented:
No it did not even get to the point of asking me for a Password.

Regarding passwords, I have used blank passwords for years with no problems across my networks.

Is 7 going to finally force me to change this?
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GridLock137Commented:
go to the machine you are trying to access over the network and check the share permission on that share folder/drive
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mattibuttCommented:
i setup a network with ms virtual pc on windows 7 it asked me for a password
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woolnoirCommented:
File permissions are defined on the folders, do a right click , properties on the folder you are trying to share and see what user permissions are defined. Remember just because you add user X to the share, they still need to have READ rights on the files as a minimum. On the plus side, generally if you add userX to READ on folder Y, then all the files in folder Y will also have those rights.
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JohnGalt22Author Commented:

mattibutt:
you can access another computer drive unless it is setup as shared and their a share path also from other computer you need to say share with everyone

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Yes, I made those basic settings under the Advanced options in Network Control Center.  Again this is a Permissions problem- the drive is showing up as Shared already.
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JohnGalt22Author Commented:
"go to the machine you are trying to access over the network and check the share permission on that share folder/drive"



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Full Control/Read/Change all checked as "allowed" for "Everyone" on shared network drive
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JohnGalt22Author Commented:
I am already quite familiar with all of these network/sharing settings from years of 2000/XP/Vista.

Is this a blank password problem?

My user account on both machines is using a blank password.
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woolnoirCommented:
Dont get confused between the SHARE permissions, and the FILE permissions. The share permissions only apply to the people accessing over the network, but DONT avoid the need for file permissions. Ensure that the user has rights to the folder which youre trying to share (as in permissions on the FOLDER, ignore share for now). Once this is true (i.e EVERYONE read permissions to the folder) -> then add the share, and ensure everyone can read ( if you want everyone to that is).
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GridLock137Commented:
I've ran in to the same issue before, if all else fails dis-join the machine from the domain and re-join it again, make sure you leave all sharing settings as they are but as mittibutt said you have to make sure that the everyone group has full permission, if only certain users are to have access add those users individually and grant the full permission to each.
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woolnoirCommented:
@JohnGalt22 ok then, sorry it just seemed that replies were getting vague between file and share.
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woolnoirCommented:
Do either of the machines have the firewall enabled ? is there an entry in there to allow file&print sharing through ?
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woolnoirCommented:
And do you have a local account created on the machine you're trying to access with the name youre logged onto the local machine as, or are you trying something else in the username and password box ? If you want no username and password you may need the guest user.

Also do you have network discovery turned on in sharing centre ?
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mattibuttCommented:
restart the both computers please
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woolnoirCommented:
http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7network/thread/14c9cf97-ac52-48bc-a730-284de284d353 <-- make sure you have followed all info in this article .. it seems complete and will ensure your all setup as per best practise.
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JohnGalt22Author Commented:
Firewalls disabled, and yes both PCs have been rebooted multiple times.
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woolnoirCommented:
and network discovery is on ? and you have a local account on the other machine to connect with ?
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JohnGalt22Author Commented:
woolnoir:
And do you have a local account created on the machine you're trying to access with the name youre logged onto the local machine as, or are you trying something else in the username and password box ? If you want no username and password you may need the guest user.

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As mentioned above, it does not even get to the point of asking me for passwords.

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JohnGalt22Author Commented:
and you have a local account on the other machine to connect with ?

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I'm not sure I understand what you mean here.
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woolnoirCommented:
Who are you adding permission as, on the remote share, and local file system who are you allowing access ?
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JohnGalt22Author Commented:
One basic setting that I have different from the cited article is that I have "Password Protected sharing" set to OFF.

Intuitviely, one would think that would make sharing a drive, EASIER.
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JohnGalt22Author Commented:
"Who are you adding permission as, on the remote share, and local file system who are you allowing access ?"


"Everyone"
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woolnoirCommented:
http://www.home-network-help.com/simple-file-sharing.html

so you have done as the article here suggets, setting guest permissions and everyone permissions ?
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JohnGalt22Author Commented:
"so you have done as the article here suggets, setting guest permissions and everyone permissions ?"


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"Everyone" has FULL control (All three options checked as "ALLOW")

I thought that was about as wide open as you could set it.

I have not ADDED a "guest" account.
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woolnoirCommented:
Is the guest user on or off ? try enabling it http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/7412-guest-account-turn-off.html see if that makes a difference.
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JohnGalt22Author Commented:
That article is showing menus and screens I am not seeing.

Is it because it is discussing sharing a FOLDER, when I am trying to share a DRIVE?
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mattibuttCommented:
can you share a folder instead of a drive please and see what happens
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JohnGalt22Author Commented:
Enabling Guest account did not help.

Sharing a folder results in the eexact same problem.

Folder is visible in the Network folder of the computer from which I am trying to access the folder, but I get the same permissions error.
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woolnoirCommented:
show me a screen shot of your FILE permissions for the drive youre trying to share.
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mattibuttCommented:
i think your network is not successfully setup and thats why its happening if the both pc on different groups then its likely that you will not be able to access the files
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JohnGalt22Author Commented:
Screenshot per request.
Winows-7.png
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woolnoirCommented:
And the share permissions (sorry just checking)

Also - if you do a \\localmachine\sharename from the actual machine the share is on, does it allow you access ?
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mattibuttCommented:
john you need to put them in permission again in the image first one from right
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woolnoirCommented:
Actually they are the share permissions, not the file permissions... we need the actual permissions on the drive....
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mattibuttCommented:
you know in advance sharing window add everyone there
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woolnoirCommented:
I'm needing the file permissions as in the attached image ....
permissions.JPG
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woolnoirCommented:
Your screenshot looked very much like the file permissions -they look correct, but you need to add everyone to the C:\ permissions too... else they wont have any access to the drive. By default the EVERYONE user has no rights, so check the security tab....
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JohnGalt22Author Commented:
"Actually they are the share permissions, not the file permissions... we need the actual permissions on the drive...."




These are from the drive.

Right click on C drive/Properties/Sharing.

These are the menus and sub-menus that result.

Is FILE sharing accessed somewhere else?
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JohnGalt22Author Commented:
go to the drive -> security -> and you will see permissions, add everyone as read if you want, but keep in mind the security concerns.


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There is no "Everyone" in the security tab listing-just like your screenshot above.  USERS is already configured to READ, but I can't even do that.

Additionally, I am trying to log in as an Administrator from the other PC.  Administrators have FULL rights.

This is contradictory and confusing.
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woolnoirCommented:
Right thats the issue though, Users is LOCAL users on the machine your trying to access - why your not one of. Authenticated users is people who login, which your not. And admin your also not a member off.

There needs to be a everyone entry on the FILE permissions to allow you access.. thats why your having issues, traditionally only the admin accesses root drive shares like this... you need an extra permissions entry.

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mattibuttCommented:
did you do what i asked you to do if you click on advance sharing and then give permission there to everyone and tick all the boxes
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woolnoirCommented:
@mattibutt he has done that, check his screenshot.
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JohnGalt22Author Commented:
did you do what i asked you to do if you click on advance sharing and then give permission there to everyone and tick all the boxes


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It has been set that way since the beginning.

Did you not see the Screenshot above?
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woolnoirCommented:
John - a few questions

your logged into machine1 as admin, and accessing a share on machine2 with password sharing switched off.. therefore your NOT logging into machine2( where the share is) as admin.

If you add a everyone permission to C that should fix your issue. Its an unusual thing though,  generally when your using an admin (or know the admin details) you login as \\machine\c$ which is the admin share ?
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JohnGalt22Author Commented:
"If you add a everyone permission to C that should fix your issue."


It did, and you will be getting the points.  Thanks very much.  I cannot remember the last time I had to dig around in those settings?  New to Vista/XP???

However, I am confused as to what is so unusual about what I am trying to do, and/or my configuration.

I log into both PCs as "Michael" with a blank Password.  I know using blank passwords is a a major no-no among IT Pros, but it has always been no problem for me with my micro (<20 PCs) networks.  Under XP, sharing was always simple.

So blank passwords and sharing entire drives is really THAT off the beaten path these days?

I am unsure as to what else I am doing wrong, and no I am not really too keen on doing the Everyone/Full Access sharing.
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woolnoirCommented:
You have turned password sharing off, the fact that you dont have a login box means that ( AFAIK ) it will be trying to use no authentication i.e the standard C drive permissions wont work.

Also... you might want to try password sharing on, that might allow you to authenticate as michael on the remote machine...in which case you will evaluate as a member of the local users & admin groups and be given access... either way its worth a try :)

That or adding everyone :)
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JohnGalt22Author Commented:
So in summary, if I understand you correctly, most of my "walk on the wild side" is from abstaining from the use of Passwords.  I mean I don't think I can " authenticate as michael on the remote machine" without one.

Basically, I should do like the rest of the PC universe, and should log in with a password and turn ON Password Sharing??

In any case, thanks for your stalwart assistance.
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mattibuttCommented:
i thought you were using the passwords lol anyhow
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