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SBS 2008 + TS Server + Hyper-V

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Hi Guys
Here is a nice one for you.
I have a new client running 1x SBS 2003 server and 2x Terminal Server 2003 (one is supposed to be for redundancy but is apparently not working).
Here is where I come in. They want to run SBS 2008 and Terminal Server 2008 (With redundancy, i.e. second server) and I am charged with either upgrade their current old hardware and do an in place upgrade of current SBS and TS operating systems. Hope they don’t want to go that way.
My other option is to blow hardware and all away and setup fresh site.

What do you recommend is the best and most cost effective way to achieve the above?

Here is my line of thought
Cluster 2x DL380’s – 2x 2.66GHZ CPU, 12GB Ram, 3x 300Gb 10k SAS drives in RAID1 with hot spare. Using Hyper-V I will be able to installed SBS 2008 Premium (Virtual) and Terminal Server 2008 (Virtual) on the Cluster and so make my entire system safe of any kind of hardware failure bar total disaster and will also be able to do load balancing.
A daily backup to external USB drive will be used for of site storage.
Can this be done? Or have you got an even better/valid  idea.
The client is an Accounting firm with 15 users. They use Office suite, all the versions of MYOB and Quickbooks.

Remember I am suppose to save the client money while give them a fail proof system guaranteed. Except who is going to protect the system from the users.... :-) lol

Any help and advice will be greatly appreciated.

Regards
Frank
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Indeed I looked at the SAM's and stopped when the $ started mounting. I also looked at a blade system but also to expensive.
I was also looking at 2x server and a program called double take that takes live snaps of the two servers and acts as a failover, but i do not know the software well and cannot stake my head on it.
Come on lads I am sure half of us have these issues. Any other idea's that will not blow out the costs for a 15 user site..
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Have you taken in account the possibility of  an additional domain controller. Because by default in SBS you have one, and if that one stops, nobody can authenticate anywhere.

Also, will you be using roaming profiles for TS? Where will the files be stored? If not,  how will you achieve that users always get the same profiles loaded?

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I didn't think that SBS aloe 2x dc's on the same network.
HyperV sounded good, but like all of you say. SAM is too expensive.
Someone gave me another idea. I have not personally tested it but this person is currently supporting a site like this.
His got
1x Sbs Server 2008 prem
1x TS Server
1x DoubleTake Server

apparently this

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I didn't think that SBS aloe 2x dc's on the same network.
HyperV sounded good, but like all of you say. SAM is too expensive.
Someone gave me another idea. I have not personally tested it but this person is currently supporting a site like this.
His got
1x Sbs Server 2008 prem
1x TS Server
1x DoubleTake Server

 He tells me that the doubletake server makes a bit level image of all the systems and acts as a failover in case of hardware or software failure automatically!!!

Does anyone know double take? Because if it works I will be able to save the client a fortune. The only thing extra would be to add a tape backup for off-site storage and backup the lot daily.
Guys if this works it could be a solution for all you other poor IT pros working under severe budget restraints and is still expected to whip up a beauty of a network.
Please anyone with DoubleTake experience, I would like to hear from you.
To all the other lads that replied thank man. Good insight so far. Let's see how far we got with this
You can have multiple DC's in a SBS environment. You can't have multiple SBS servers and forests.

I haven't really heard of double take. But I'm sure there are viable alternatives. Maybe SBS even supports DFSR?
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SBS 2003 did not support DFS root, however it can host file shares ( target), not sure whether the same applies to 2008. I have checked double take "availability" datasheet. it supports both VMware & Hyper-V and it does mention from any type of a storage ( I guess this includes normal disks as well ).

havent tested it out as of now so cannot comment on it. doubletake also has highavailability solution for sbs, its an appliance from Heroware
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Frank: I would recommend checking with a doubletake sales rep/ support engineer whether it would support the scenario that you are looking for, it would also give you a ballpark figure for the cost of this solution.
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Frank: I would recommend checking with a doubletake sales rep/ support engineer whether it would support the scenario that you are looking for, it would also give you a ballpark figure for the cost of this solution.

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Spoke to a Double Take rep and it all sounds good in theory but what about practical. I have had some interesting situations with software like this promising but not delivering. I am going to setup a workshop and do some nasty things to a server and see if it works. If you are interested in the outcome let me know.
 
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I sure would be interested to find whether its

1. viable ( cost)
2. reliable ( Failover mechanism)

Please do let me know the results

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No Problem, not sure how to get hold of you.
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