T40 Issues Won't recognize HD

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I'm loading a brand new HD from scratch.   IBM T40.

To begin, it won't recognize the HD.   How do I change this in BIOS?  Will a T40 take a 250 gig HD?
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It can be tricky getting the hard drive to connect to that model laptop. I would 1st try installing the drive without the caddy to see if that is what's happening.
 

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I should also mention that when I start loading Windows XP, it says it cannot find a HD.
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in it's specs :  •Standard 30GB, 40GB, 80GB HDD sizes  from :   http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-58185.html

so i fear it will take max 128 Gb -  then it hits the disk size barrier  as explained here  : http://www.dewassoc.com/kbase/hard_drives/hard_drive_size_barriers.htm

unless you find a bios update, that says it will allow bigger sizes; you can try the latest update :  http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-46258
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I changed the boot order, I think, and it doesn't seem to even want to take an 40 or 60 gig drive. I took drive out of caddy like you said.  Every time, the Windows Installation says it can't find a HD.

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Take a very close look at the connector on the hard drive. You might have a bent pin.

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I've done that.

Any other ideas?

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I 've tried 3 different hard drives, all with teh same results.  Computer does not recognize HD.  However, when I hook the HD to USB port, it works.

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Does it work if you remove the CD drive?

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No.  However, if I start with the Windows CD in, it goes thru about 3 min of preliminary setup, then asks me to hit <return>.  After doing so, it says it cant find a HD.
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If the hard drive is not recognized in the BIOS, Windows will not find it. If you removed the CD ROM drive and the BIOS can't pick up a hard drive then you have a bad IDE controller.
Last thing to try is to enter the BIOS editor and load the default settings.
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if you tried with a 40 Gb disk and it did not see it as well, you have a disk controller problem imo.
what was the problem with the old disk?  did you test it on another pc?  it can still be ok then.

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How do I load the BIOS default settings?  Can you give me a step-by-step procedure?   FYI, the old HD had a virus that I didn't want to go to the trouble fixing.   I just bought a fresh HD figuring it would be easier and less stressful to build it from scratch.  Besides, the older hd had onl 60 gigs.

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Does the old hard drive still work in that laptop?

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No.  I just tried to restore BIOS defaults  (F12, etc).  It did not recognize either the new HD or the old one.  I tried booting the old one normally, and it says it cannot find OS.  

Now, I have an old T40.   IF this is the IDE controller, can I replace it relatively easily?

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No, it is built into the motherboard so you would have to change the MB
I don't understand why it can't recognize the hard drive if it was working before.

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That's precisely my question.  Why isn't it working now.

Is there anything I can do to verify that it's the IDE controller?   Maybe I did something in the BIOS when I fooled with the boot order.   Is there something BIOS can tell me, such that the IDE is or isn't working?

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Only thing I can suggest is what I said in the beginning. With the old drive (because we know it works) and w/o the caddy use a flashlight to make sure you are inserting the right way. The drive goes in upside down in some Thinkpads. Make sure it plugs into the socket because it can be tricky without the caddy to line it up properly.
Then see if it gets detected by the BIOS.

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I did all that.  No recognition.  Tried it with two bootable HD's.   I'm just curious that this happened so suddenly.  I'm not quite ready to accept this has a burnt motherboard.  Are you sure there isn't a BIOS setting I can fix?

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Other than trying it without the CD drive installed, I got nothing. Sorry.

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When I take the Windows CD out and try to boot from either HD, it doesn't work.

Let me re-post the question to see if there are any other possible solutions.

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I meant to remove the CD drive, not the CD from the drive.
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any comment to my post ?

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Nobus, let's not worry about why I'm changing HDD's.  I just need a larger one.

The old ones are recognized by my desktop computer when I hook up a USB connection between teh HDD and the desktop (USB to IDE).

Edbedb,  I'm not sure why you'd remove the cd drive.  Couldn't you do this in BIOS?   I just don't want to mess the computer up.  Do I have to r/r/ the keyboard to get to the cd?

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If there is something wrong with the CD drive it could prevent the hard drive from being detected. No, you can't do it in the BIOS.
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you need to worry about it - it is far from sure it can handle larger sizes, as i posted
and the why can give us valuable info - we don't know what you know, only what you post here....

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For the time being, let's forget about the 250 gig HDD.  

WHen I try to boot from the 40 and 80 gig HDD's, I get the message "OS NOT FOUND".  I am assuming, therefore, that the BIOS is not recognizing the HDD.  

From what has been posted, there appear to be three possible problems:

1) IDE controller is shot.  If this is the case, I have to get a new computer;
2) HDD improperly installed.   This is not the problem because it fails to recognize all three HDD's I've tried to install.
3) BIOS is somehow "programmed" to NOT recognize HDD.   Like I've said, I hit F12 and fooled with teh boot order.   Somewhere in BIOS, I chose to reset defaults, but this has not helped.    My hunch is that there is something in BIOS - that this is not a hardware issue.  As such, I would like information about configuring BIOS that will help me eliminate the possibility that the problem is in teh BIOS.

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"WHen I try to boot from the 40 and 80 gig HDD's, I get the message "OS NOT FOUND".  I am assuming, therefore, that the BIOS is not recognizing the HDD."
That is not correct. The message means that the drive has been found but it can't find any OS on it.

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Edbebd-
This is good news ... seriously.  So have we now determined that the computer is recognizing the HD?

If so, I'll give you 500 points and repost another question.  

The next issue will be configuring BIOS so that the computer will take a 250 gig HDD.  Or can this even be done?

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That's what the message usually means. It could also be refering to the CD drive (not likely) or the floppy drive if there is a disk in it. Otherwise it means there is no OS on the HD
 

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Well, that's the confusing thing.  Four days ago, the computer was booting from the same HDD that it now says does not have an operating system!   Are you 100% positive?  I'm being emphatic here because, before moving forward, I want to rule this out.  

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One way to tell for sure is to connect the hard drive so that you get that message when you try to start it then try installing Windows XP again.

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I turned the computer on two times: once with a HDD installed and once without.

In BOTH cases, I get the following error:  PXE-E61 Media Test Failure, check cable

I googled this online, and there were several results.   One site contained this answer that confirmed my suspicions: that this is a BIOS issue.

"Change your boot sequence in BIOS. Remove any network boot option (remote boot - talk to your IT guy if you're not sure) that is not available in your network. If you still want to keep the option but will boot from the C drive then make sure the HD0 precede the network one. Most home and private users don't have remote boot from network. just take them out of the boot sequence.
Good luck. "

As I've said previously, I believe this has something to do with boot sequence.  I know just enough about computers to get myself into trouble, and I DID mess a bit with the BIOS.   Like I said, I was able to download Ultimate Boot CD, but I don't know how to use it.


My hunch is that this is not a huge problem - just a tweek in teh BIOS is needed.

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It will try to boot from the network if it can't find the hard drive.
If you are using the HD caddy again that might be why. Put it aside until you get it going.
There are boot options in the BIOS but you will have to look around to find them. I don't have that model in stock so I am not able to give you specific instructions.
 

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I'm sorry, but we really are going round and round in circles.   This seems to be merely an issue of going into BIOS.  Unfortunately, I do not have the training to swim in BIOS waters.   I appreciate all of your help, but am looking for clear and specific intructions that will solve the problem.

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Have you removed the drive from the caddy and connected it to the laptop?

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You can select a temporary boot device by pressing F12 at startup. Just do that to test.

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Thank you.  As it turned out, it's the IDE controller.

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