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record VHS in DVD recorder through TV

Posted on 2010-11-14
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For the following devices,

DVP-NS50P DVD Player
SLV-N88 VHS Player
KV-20FV300 20" FD Trinitron TV

The DVD output goes to the VHS input.
VHS output goes to TV's input.
TV is connected to VHS through coaxial cable.

So when the DVD player is played it comes on the TV OK. (passes from DVD->VHS->TV)
also when the VHS is played it comes on the TV OK. (Flows from VHS to TV directly)

if the DVD player is played, the VHS is able to able to record it. (through coaxial cable)

now there is a VRD-MC1 DVD Recorder
Is it possible or what will it take to record the VHS input from TV  into DVD format through the recorder?
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Not sure exactly where in the arrangment you want to put the MC1 but it only has RCA s-video and Firewire inputs so it won't record from the co-ax.

Nor is it likely to record from the VCR if you play movies because it is Macrovision compliant.  

The VCR does have RCA output on the back so as well as the co-ax feed to the TV the VCR should be able to send the picture in gets from its own co-ax input together with sound via the RCA to the MC1.  

That means the MC1 will be reliant on the TV decoder in the VCR so you'll only be able to record what the VCR is outputting (i.e. you can't watch one thing and record another on the MC1)
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thanks- it does not matter where the MC1 should be as long as the (preferrably)
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So when the DVD player is played it comes on the TV OK. (passes from DVD->VHS->TV)
also when the VHS is played it comes on the TV OK. (Flows from VHS to TV directly)
if the DVD player is played, the VHS is able to able to record it. (through coaxial cable)
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above 3 do not get interrupted.

can you explain what is macrovision compliant.

right now, the VCR's RCA output is going as input to TV;  and the co-ax is input from TV to VCR.
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>>That means the MC1 will be reliant on the TV decoder in the VCR so you'll only be able to record what the VCR is >>outputting (i.e. you can't watch one thing and record another on the MC1)
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if the above is the best we can achieve because of the old technology, that is fine- what changes should i implement in the current set to make this happen?

thanks
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is the above a limitation of the VCR or DVD Recorder?
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The MC1 is a recorder so you want to be able to record with it.  You already have DVD playback with the NS50P.

The MC1 cannot directly record TV as it has no TV tuner so you currently would need to use the VCR to get the picture and sound from your co-ax input.
BUT your VCR is a recorder as well so your only improvement by doing this is you get the recording on the DVD rather than tape - otherwise you don't improve on what you already have.

Macrovision is a copy-protection used on VHS recordings - it signals to other recording devices that the content is protected and so the video will not be recorded (although the audio will) the MC1 will not record any Macrovision protected content.

To be honest the MC1 is not ideal for your current setup.  If you want to add DVD recording then you should look for a DVD-R with its own co-ax RF tuner.  You could then add the DVD recorder ahead of the VCR so the system has:

co-ax > DVD-R > TV
co-ax >  VCR   > TV
|                 ^
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You could then switch between sources on the TV depending on what you wanted to view.

Longer term maybe lose the VCR and DVD player and replace both with a DVD-R with both disk and hard drive
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thanks for the thorough feedback,.
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