Do we really need to use the WSUS services

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I've only be working here about 3mths and all systems were installed prior to my starting. I noticed that the WSUS services was not working properly, always reporting that computers are not answering back. just came in today for maintenance, one objective was to download the windows updates that have not been done since the spring and Windows Update Services 3.0 sp2 was one of the updates and still the service is not working. wondering since all the units update themselves with automatic updates turned on at each workstation do I really need this service running and if not, can I just unistall it?
CATHY-ITAsked:
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Suliman Abu KharroubIT Consultant Commented:
If you want to manage what updates do you want to install on systems and which not, then yes you sill need wsus.

another concern is the bandwidth, wsus will save your wan bandwidth. ( it depends on you bandwidth and number of systems and updates).
CATHY-ITAuthor Commented:
Only have 12 systems in this head office that would end up using it, and they are set to download and update at 3am each day. Guess I don't want to fuss with it if I really don't need to, is this for workstations only? and if I want to uninstall, what is the proper procedure? Thanks!
Suliman Abu KharroubIT Consultant Commented:
It is for both workstations and MS servers.

If your network is OK, then you can keep it as is.

if you want to deploy wsus, here is a step by step http://araihan.wordpress.com/2009/08/13/install-and-configure-wsus-3-0-sp2-step-by-step/

If you have less than 5 servers and only 12 client machines, you can live happy without WSUS.
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IT-Monkey-DaveCommented:
WSUS is awesome, saves much b/w and puts you in control of how and when updates are distributed.  If you're unable to make the current WSUS configuration work, maybe just start over with a new WSUS server.  But you're a small shop so it may not be worth your time unless you're just interested in learning it yourself, or if you really need to control how updates get deployed etc.
CATHY-ITAuthor Commented:
Ok.. well here what I see is going on. Before I started the Windows Updates downloads today. Windows Update services was installed but not really working, I was getting the Event ID #13032... windows server update.. many client computers have not yet reported back to server in the last 30days, 9 have been detected so far. Also after I installed the Windows Updates that included the Windows Update Services 3.0 SP2, get the same as above and I am NOT able to install the Security update for Windows Server 2003 and Windows server 2008 KB960089. I am assuming this is all related. Also in the Windows Services Update Manager.. it states there is 138 critical updates to deploy and 1926 updates with no status.. there is a list of computers and only about half are current units.. This looks like a bit of a mess and I'm not sure where to start to clean it up and get it functioning as I've never used this function or had to set it up, guess that is why I was leaning towards getting rid of it. Any input on how I can clean this up promptly would be appreciated.
DonNetwork AdministratorCommented:
Suliman Abu KharroubIT Consultant Commented:
first thing to check is the GPO.

do you have a GPO created to point to WSUS ?
CATHY-ITAuthor Commented:
I am not sure if we have a GPO setup.. sorry if I seem ignorant but I've been just learning the current setup as I go.. where can I check that?
Suliman Abu KharroubIT Consultant Commented:
From Active directory group policy console.

I highly recommend to remove your current wsus and start over from here :http://araihan.wordpress.com/2009/08/13/install-and-configure-wsus-3-0-sp2-step-by-step/
DonNetwork AdministratorCommented:
There's screenshots of the GPO setup provided in the link Sulimanw posted
CATHY-ITAuthor Commented:
dstewardjr posted a link to step by step remove it but it states this should be used for last resort.. should I first go to Add/remove and remove the Windows Update Services 3.0 SP2? and do I remove the Windows Internal Database as well?
Suliman Abu KharroubIT Consultant Commented:
this will save your time. just remove it and deploy it again.

you will get a clean installation and new GPO as well.

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DonNetwork AdministratorCommented:
Yes, I would remove all to get a fresh install
CATHY-ITAuthor Commented:
Just as a pre-caution is there a way to check if anything else is using the Windows Internal Database?
DonNetwork AdministratorCommented:
Highly doubt it
DonNetwork AdministratorCommented:
unless you are using sharepoint<<<<sorry jumped the gun
CATHY-ITAuthor Commented:
I don't see it listed in the Add and Remove list on either server, we have a DC and TS.
DonNetwork AdministratorCommented:
The Database or WSUS ?
CATHY-ITAuthor Commented:
Oh..sorry.. sharedpoint is not listed. I spoke with my supervisor and we've decided since our head office is a small setup that I will not bother to use the WSUS at this time. I began the unistall and it cautions that other programs may not work if I remove  the Windows Server Update Services 3.0 SP2. are there any other dependent software I should check for first? Sorry if I seem so cautions I don't feel like bring our server down today LOL.
CATHY-ITAuthor Commented:
and by down. I mean not functioning properly.
Suliman Abu KharroubIT Consultant Commented:
You can remove WSUS safely.

also to keep things organized, delete the GPO if it contains only settings about wsus.
DonNetwork AdministratorCommented:
Small office or not, I still suggest that you use WSUS...You will benefit from having everything centralized with reporting
CATHY-ITAuthor Commented:
I hear you Dstewartjr and thank you for you advice, I'll be marking the links you all gave me so I can study it. I'm just running low on time today.. this perhaps will be something on my list for my next scheduled maintenance day. I still have lots to do and would like to clean up these WSUS issues before I move on. I'm going to uninstall the WSUS 3.0 sp2 and the windows Internal database software from add/remove now.... and reboot the server.. I'll update soon
DonNetwork AdministratorCommented:
WSUS and the database can be installed/uninstalled without the need for a reboot...FYI.... ;)
CATHY-ITAuthor Commented:
Errors appear to be gone..been two days.. thanks for your help and advise, I will take it all into consideration, should we decide to re-install WSUS.
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