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Hi Guys,

I've been en-tasked to build a SOE, I've previously done it a couple of ways of which basically are

build a base image add your apps manually and ghost it back out to the clients.

build a base image and installing the apps after the PC has been run up via Active Directory and or login scripts. This was my best case scenario however I still wish to cut down the install time and make application management easy as possible. EG some clients may have 15 or more apps so in a effort to minimize this I thought what about application visualization eg: thinapp, installfree

Both options are pretty much old school apart from the thinapp/installfree, So I'm interested to hear what you may have done in recent times using the newer technologies which are available to us and if you found any particular advantages or disadvantages also due to capital spend which was required for the management side of the machines eg" thinapp/install free.

Thanks,
Quenten


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VMware View 4.5 (VDI), ThinApp (requires test and developement, but wou'll be used to  this with MSI deployment via AD). Citrix XenApp, Virutualing Apps, or Ghost Enterprise Deployment and Packaging with WInstall/Installshield, Altiris, Wise Studio.

So please fire away with questions, and we can start a dialogue.
Have you considered the automated installation kit (aik) and its companiion microsoft deployment toolkit as viable alternatives
Citrix XenApp might be a good fit.  This allows you to minimize the applications installed locally delivering them as virtual applications instead.  XenApp applications run on servers consuming server resources.  The user essentially just sees screenshots of what is transpiring.
If you are looking at OS deployment, then VMware Template functionality may be useful.

Experts here may be able to suggest more alternatives if you could update the $$$ you are willing to spend for OS deployment automation as well as application deployment automation as well.
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Thanks guys so far,

VMware View 4.5 (VDI), ThinApp (requires test and developement, but wou'll be used to  this with MSI deployment via AD).

VDI sounds interesting however cost vs benefits for the sites we are looking at around 20-30 machines, sometimes less which kind of rules out this idea i guess.  as they are different businesses as such so shared infrastructure maybe a hard topic for them.

I've been using a product called Quest vWorkspace mainly for terminal server upgrades :), increased speed etc. around $270 a seat so its a pretty good deal. this also does support full VDI desktops and VDI Apps. quite nice and recommend it.


Ghost Enterprise Deployment and Packaging with WInstall/Installshield, Altiris, Wise Studio.

This approach is the same as it has been for the last 10 years?  I would love to try and do something different..


Citrix XenApp, Virutualing Apps,

Interesting still have to weigh up the cost vs benifit of these apps, as we know for example InstallFree starts at 500 clients around $50k+, vmware thinapp is in comparison at 6k for 50 clients.

All interesting ideas. now the xmas holidays are pretty much done, I should have some more time to ponder this :)

So questions......

If you had a choice would you go VDI 100% of the time and if so why?

What about devices that may use USB ports such as itunes for example or specialized equipment dongles eg autocad or ANZ Online or some such maybe a issue?

Thanks,
Qten




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I forgot to add the the Template functionality can be used to deploy multiple VMs at the same time once you have installed a VM and converted it into a template.
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I see my current issues with VDI more so being related to laptop users then the actual desktops so assuming we have a hybrid environment.
The part I find interesting trying to convert businesses let alone myself across to any VDI is if you're desktop images are configured effectively which they still need to be in a full VDI Environment, how is it different from getting the customer or management software automatically every month or two will rebuild the local machine with the latest image and or when the machine is broken it can be rebuilt in minutes this way hours aren't spent diagnosing issues with malware/spyware/something trivial etc.

Or we could configure the desktops to not save any information to the machines similarly how kiosk's are usually configured these kind of methods would make the VDI less attractive for smaller businesses.  I still see a benefit in VDI for say 500+ desktops as these kind of networks would also have the possible issues of reliability of the actual hardware.

Thin client machines in should be more reliable then a desktop machine (less moving parts) which will help with this case,  but isn't the cost of a thin client then offset via management software such as VMware view/thinapp/server hardware different licensing of software e.g.:  MS office?

Don't forget local mode for laptop users that can "checkout a desktop" to their laptop to run. If the laptop has got the powerbto run it.

thin clients are cheaper all round, but the best thin client is a PC!
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