Properly Backing up .MDF and .LDF files

Hello, were looking for a simple soultion to backing up .ldf and .mdf files.  Our current backup solutions and software skip over these files and were concerned we don't have proper backups of them.

Just want to know what's the standard for backing up this type of data.
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tonymikeConnect With a Mentor Commented:
Your backup software cannot backup live files.  Unless you purchase a better backup app like BackupExec with the SQL option - this is expensive.  Use SQL Manager to backup your database files to flat files.  Then your backup software can backup the flat files.  Automate the backup to flat file to happen just before your main backup takes place.  hope this helps,
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lcohanDatabase AnalystCommented:
Why would you backup those files? In my opinion you may be never able to use them because you can't attach them to another server anyway. You should do a proper database backup and save the backup files/tapes instead.
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clinker83Commented:
Create this file in notepad and save it with .bat file extension
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ECHO on
SQLCMD -i C:\location\backupdb.sql
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Create another file below in same location and save as backupdb.sql
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SQLCMD
DECLARE @DB varchar(20)
DECLARE @DiskLoc varchar(100)
DECLARE @NumofDays int


SET @DB = 'dbname'
SET @DiskLoc = 'C:\location\YourDbBackup.bak'
SET @NumofDays = 7

BACKUP DATABASE @DB TO DISK = @DiskLoc
WITH RETAINDAYS = @NumofDays,
INIT,
SKIP;
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Now you can use windows scheduled tasks to run the bat file which will create .bak file in same location as above. The bak file, once restored, will restore your mdf and ldf files


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Aaron ShiloChief Database ArchitectCommented:
hi

very simple , start with using sql server maintenance plan wizard to create a plan to backupp your databases using sql server agent job on a regular basis.

read this : http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms189953.aspx
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printmediaAuthor Commented:
We currently have a maintenance plan that does backup the databases.  The maintenance plan creates a .bak file in another location on the same drive as the live data and then we back up those files with Veritas.  Those .bak files backup without a problem.  

Is this a sufficient backup for SQL?
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lcohanConnect With a Mentor Database AnalystCommented:
That should be "sufficient backup for SQL" from backup/restore point of view especially if you keep those backed up backup files off site and for a specific length of time driven by your business rules.
I suggest you check "Planning for Disaster Recovery" article and see what applies to your business rules.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms178094(SQL.90).aspx
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms178094(v=SQL.105).aspx

If you need quick recovery (and you can afford it) from a disaster (hardware failure/data corruption) then you may need to look at lot more expensive solutions like SAN disks mirroring. Hope this helps.
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tonymikeCommented:
Check out the very first comment again.  This is how i answered the question.  
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printmediaAuthor Commented:
What is the reason for the difference in size between the .ldf, .mdf files compared to the backup files SQL creates with the maintenance plan?
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Anthony PerkinsConnect With a Mentor Commented:
A backup is a representation of the data contained in the Transaction Logs (LDF) and Data Files (MDF, NDF, etc.) and has little bearing on the size of the physical files (LDF, MDF, NDF, etc.).  In other words, you can define data file as having 100GB, but it contains only data for 1GB.  The backup will be closer to 1 GB than 100 GB.
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