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Burg Bootloader Configuration

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I am having following operating systems installed.

1. Windows 7
2. Windows XP
3. Ubuntu 10.10
4. BT4 (Ubuntu)

Now the issue is,currently i am using EasyBCD for multiple OS booting, and while booting i have to go through two bootloaders, one is default Ubuntu's bootloader than if i chose Windows 7 in the list ,it takes me another bootloader i.e., EasyBCD bootloader. Now instead of two bootloader i need to use only BURG bootloader to be configured for all the operating systems. before i edit/modify i would like to take the experts advice to configure the burg in a correct way so i don't face any issue. I am posting my Disk Partitions screenshot of Disk utility in Ubuntu. Thank you. Partitions
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by:torimar
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By "Burg" you mean "Grub"?
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no its a grub loader with a customized theme option, look in the google if you please. Thank you.
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I'm very sorry for having neglected this thread, but your reply got drowned in all the other E-E notifications I receive.

Here's what I have to say:

EasyBCD is very well capable of booting Linux directly. You may not have known, or you did not follow the EasyBCD instructions (http://neosmart.net/wiki/display/EBCD/Linux ) when installing Linux, so that you did allow Ubuntu to install Grub to the MBR - which should be avoided if one wishes to use EasyBCD as main booloader.

If you wish to reduce the number of bootloaders to only one, then here's what you need to bear in mind:

1. On a multi-boot system, it is always advisable to use a bootloader that is managed by your main OS. This will help you avoid all sorts of problems that might arise from changing, deleting or updating your secondary OS. So if Windows is your main OS, consider going with EasyBCD as the only bootloader.

2. On systems with more than one Windows OS, those Windows OS's are centrally loaded either via the integrated Windows bootloader, or a third-party replacement of said bootloader, like EasyBCD. This Windows loader is what Grub chainloads, it's not the single OS itself. Since the Windows booloader requires several files which are only available once, on the main Windows partition, it is not possible to directly load any of the Windows OS's via Grub.
Which means that if using Grub you will not be able to manage getting rid of the second boot menu.

You will, however, be able to integrate your Ubuntu and Backtrack into EasyBCD with a little fiddling.
Please read the EasyBCD documentation carefully (http://neosmart.net/wiki/display/EBCD/Ubuntu ), and also the documents on NeoGrub: http://neosmart.net/wiki/display/EBCD/NeoGrub

Then copy your Ubuntu menu.lst and grub.conf files to a USB stick, best also print them out: you will need the info for Neogrub.

Then, following the guides I posted above, try to integrate your Ubuntu and BT into the EasyBCD menu. If all works, reinstall EasyBCD to the MBR which will help get rid of Grub.

Proceed with care and, of course, backup important data before beginning.
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But i am not using Windows much and the issue is, if i am HIBERNATING my windows 7 and than when i am trying to boot i am not having options to chose between other OS until and unless i am shutting down the windows 7 totally and than booting the laptop again. Where as earlier when i didn't had EasyBCD and through the grub bootloader i was able to switch between the OS without any issues, i just want to give it a try as currently when i am in my office i have to boot Windows XP (for domain) or UBUNTU (for our SERVER)
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When you say: "Where as earlier when i didn't had EasyBCD and through the grub bootloader i was able to switch between the OS without any issues" ... does this "earlier" imply that you had the very same partition and OS setup at that time? If so, what exactly is it that you changed and why?
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Nop actually i didnt had BT and Windows xp that time.
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Yes, I thought so.

As I tried to explain to you above, Grub chainloads the Windows bootloader. If there is only one Windows OS, you will not see a Windows boot menu because you don't need one. As soon as there are more versions of Windows installed, you will see a Windows boot menu (either EasyBCD or Windows generic) because otherwise you would not be able to load your secondary Windows operating systems; in your case, you would loose the ability to boot XP if there were no Windows boot menu. Grub simply cannot be used to boot directly into your XP - it could only do so if XP were your only Windows OS.

Hence, even if you got rid of EasyBCD, you would have to replace it with the Windows 7 own boot loader.
You would not have gained anything; you would even have lost something. Because, as I have said, whereas EasyBCD is able to boot Windows and Linux, the Windows 7 loader is not.

If you want only one single bootloader on a cross-platform multiboot system with several Windows versions, EasyBCD is your only choice.

On a side note:
If you say you do "not use Windows much" - have you considered running Windows in virtual machines under Linux? This would help you get rid of multibooting altogether, you could even run XP and Ubuntu at the same time:
http://www.virtualbox.org/
http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch02.html#id352309

It should also be possible to convert your existing XP into a virtual machine - although I'd consider this an advanced topic.

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Alright what if i am installing BURG only for UBUNTU and BT  ? instead of "default" gurb loader
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Well, I understood your question in the way that you are already running the Burg extension to Grub, and now wish to use it exclusively without EasyBCD. So I misunderstood.

I do not know Burg, and I wouldn't use it, but from what I understand it should be no problem to install and use instead of Grub.
I don't think a specific menu configuration will be required because it certainly will import the existing Grub settings.

There are quite a few good guides for installing it, and there is also a new "Burg Manager", a graphical front-end that will help you set Burg up, configure it and even get rid of it again if no longer favoured :

http://ubuntuguide.net/decorate-grub-2-boot-loader-using-burg
http://ubuntuguide.net/decorate-grub-2-boot-loader-with-burg-manager-gui-for-burg
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/07/burg-boot-loader-installation-themeing-more-gets-even-easier-with-burg-manager-app/
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Thanks for the links i will go through it.
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the only issue with the windows 7 default bootloader is, if i am hibernating my Windows 7 , later when i reboot it does not give me an option to chose between the "windows" OS and RESUME windows 7 directly.
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Following are the details of the disk space and installed OS in it

1. 84GB - Windows 7 (Windows Partition)
2. 84GB - Windows 7 (Extended Partition)
3. 21GB - Windows XP Professional SP3
4. 15GB - ext4 (Ubuntu 10.10)
5. 499MB - SWAP (Ubuntu 10.10)
6. 9.7GB - ext3 (BT4)
7. 99mb - SWAP (BT4)
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ibrahim52,

please re-read your original question. You wanted information on how to configure the Burg/Grub bootloader in order to avoid having to go through a second bootloader, the Windows one.

In several comments and in very high detail I explained to you that what you wanted to achieve is not possible. I also explained to you in very high detail what you can do instead, and how to achieve this.
That is a solution to your original question.

You then report an issue you have with the Windows bootloader and hibernation. This was not mentioned in your original question at all. Hence it is unrelated in the strict sense, and either a different problem or a follow-up problem. In both cases it needs to be dealt with in a new separate question, but without having this present thread deleted because it clarifies and solves your original situation as well as initiates a new one.
However, you want this present thread deleted instead and "restart the topic again". Without a reference of what has already been dealt with at long length, the best you can expect of a new topic is to have the same discussion again. Unless you rephrase your question decisively, which would make it more than obvious that in fact what you have now is a new question, based on the information I already gave you.

I object to the proposed deletion of this thread.
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Thank you, i didn't mean to close this question but there was no reply from any expert other than you. That is the reason why i was suppose to close and create the question again.Thanks anyways.
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