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what is a difference between windows server SE and windows server SBS

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i am plannning to purchase a server , before that would like to know the difference between
1) what is a difference between windows server SE and windows server SBS
2) what is a latest version released in windows server SE and in windows server SBS .

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i have already SBS 2003 as domain controller and running exchange via exchange pop3 connector :-

1) is there any way to upgrade to migrate from sbs 2003 to sbs 2011. ?
2) can i use 2 sbs 2003 and 2011 in my network ?
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1) Yes see migration options below
2) No, you can only have one SBS per domain/network segment. Adding a second will cause one to randomly start shutting down after 7 days. The Migration process allows them to co exist for 21 days

When moving from SBS 2003 to a new server platform there are several migration options.
There is no “upgrade path” nor is the older transition pack available any longer that assisted and provided a licensing cost savings when moving to Server Standard. You will need to do a migration. My personal preference when doing SBS migrations is to buy a $200 kit from swingmigration.com tailored to your particular  migration. It provides tools, a method that allows a more gradual migration and the ability to revert backward, and 90 days personal support.
http://www.sbsmigration.com/pages/

Alternatively Microsoft has full documentation for the migration process:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=ea184914-6445-4d7a-a432-927e6880dcd0
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i mean if i will use one SBS as domain controller and another to run ERP and other applications will it work or clash.
actually i have SBS 2003 using as domain controller and its exchange features too.
i am planning for ERP and want  to go for another server . so can i go for SBS or SE
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To answer your first questions.
-There is SBS 2011 called Windows Small Business Server 2011 Standard which is the latest version of Small Business server.
-You can get an upgrade for that, which used to be called the premium addition, but is now an add-on that includes SQL, an additional Server Standard 2008 R2 server license and the ability to use that 2008 R2 a second time as a virtual host if you want to virtualize one or both of your servers.
-There is also a new 'version' called Windows Small Business Server 2011 Essentials which is very similar to SBS 2011 except there is no Exchange. It is intended, but not necessary, to be used with on-line hosted Exchange. The final release of this is not yet available. This version will also automatically backup up to 10 PC's similar to how Windows Home Server. The backup of PC's is very space efficient and very easily allows for PC restores.
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They will "clash". SBS must be a domain controller, and must hold all FSMO roles. That is a limitation of SBS, you can only have one. You can however add as many server standard (non-SBS) as you like to the domain which can be for ERP, terminal services, or additional domain controllers.
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Ps- the premium add-on is for that purpose, to add an additional server for ERP or similar services. However, the add-on comes with SQL. If you don't need SQL it would be cheaper to simply buy a Server 2008 R2 license and your existing SBS CAL's will cover the users accessing that server. Premium with SQL requires premium CAL's which are more expensive.
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if i will use one SBS 2011 AS DOMAIN controller and other SBS 2011 as simple server to RUN my ERP will it work smoothly or clash ?

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i have around 50  domain users , can i use SBS 2011 as domain controller and also if i run my ERP on the same will it work smoothly ? hope i will not face any downtimes in server due to heavy applications ?

Actually my concern is sql server , as i am going for ERP for which i need sql server , i dont want to buy it seprately if i will use my SBS SQL server for domain controller and for ERP will it supports or chances of getting any clash of DataBase or downltime in server .
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Sorry you cannot do that. As mentioned SBS MUST be a domain controller, one per network. If you could even do it, it is a licensing violation and although I haven't tried it with 2011, 2003 would shut down on it's own when you did so. why would you want to? Server Std I believe is less expensive now.
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If you need SQL and your ERP provider does not include it then using SBS with the premium add-on is you best bet.
You can install SQL on the SBS and run your ERP software, assuming the vendor supports it, but it is best to have it on a separate server.
A common configuration is to buy SBS and the premium add-on and run both servers in a virtual environment. In this case you Install Server 2008 R2 as the host and then create a virtual SBS and a virtual server 2008 R2 std for your ERP and SQL. all licensing except CAL's would be included.
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So as now i have SBS 2003  as domain controller , i will leave it intact and for ERP i will go with Server 2011 SE  ( is this setup ok)

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and in future if i need i can update my existing SBS domain Controller to SBS 2011.

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By SE are you referring to Windows Small Business Server 2011 Essentials ? You cannot do that either, it too has to be a Domain Controller and cannot be in the same domain as any SBS.
You will need to purchase Server 2008 R2 standard:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/us/default.aspx
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yes  i mean server 2008 R2 Standard
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Yes you can add Server st now to your existing domain and upgrade SBS at any time.

However, If you add Server 2008 R2 to your existing domain, you will need 2008 R2 CAL's, SQL CAL's and SBS 2003 CAL's for all users. When you upgrade to SBS 2011 you will then need SBS 2011 CAL's.  Alternatively if you now upgraded to SBS 2011 with the premium add-on, you would only need SBS 2011 premium CAL's which would be a significant savings.
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can i use SBS 2003 cals in SBS 2011 ?
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No. CAL's have to match the server version.
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Can i run my ERP on same SBS .
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If i go for SBS 2011 and migrate from SBS 2003 TO 2011  Can i run my ERP on same domain controller  SBS .or domain controller should be separate
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>>"Can i run my ERP on same SBS . "
Quite possibly, that would depend on the product. Most are fine.

>>"If i go for SBS 2011 and migrate from SBS 2003 TO 2011  Can i run my ERP on same domain controller  SBS"
Usually that is fine. You need to verify with the vendor it is compatible and they support it.
Best practice is to run it on a separate server to have dedicated resources but it is not usually a requirement.
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Also regarding the SBS CAL Licences .
do we need SBS cals according to number of pc's or as per usage of mailbox ?
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You can buy per device or per user CAL's.
Per device would be most often used in a situation like a call center where many people use the same device/computer.
Per user is more common, especially with SBS, as it allows a user to connect to server resources with multiple devices.

To better explain: Assume a user connects at the office with their PC, off-site they connect remotely with a laptop, and then they also have a mobile phone that connects and collects e-mail.
With Per device CAL's this would require 3 device CAL's, 1 for each device.
With per User CAL's this would only require 1 user CAL.

If you buy CAL's through volume licensing with software assurance, you have a one time right to change existing CAL's from one type of CAL to the other.
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2 to 3 of my users are using MS outlook with exchange server on there office laptop and at home they have different pc on which outlook is configured as RPC over Http . also they have configured mail on their IPHone .
so will they require cals sepratly for iphone , home pc and laptop? as they dont work all together on all devices .

Also would like to know the major differences between SBS 2003 AND SBS 2011
I am planning to upgrade my existing SBS 2003 to SBS 2011 ,will it be benificial for me ?
can i migrate SBS 2003 TO 2011 and use same cal licences ?
can microsoft give me any pricing discount as i am going to upgrade my existing SBS 2003 to SBS 2011 ?
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>>"so will they require cals separately for iphone , home pc and laptop? as they dont work all together on all devices "
If you buy per user CAL's you only need 1 for each user and they can use all of their devises to access their server account.

>>"Also would like to know the major differences between SBS 2003 AND SBS 2011"
Please read:  http://www.infoworld.com/d/microsoft-windows/top-features-in-windows-small-business-server-2011-443-0?page=0,0

>>"I am planning to upgrade my existing SBS 2003 to SBS 2011 ,will it be benificial for me ?"
I thinks so but that is a question you will have to answer for yourself. Support for SBS 2003 will probably soon be ending.

>>"can i migrate SBS 2003 TO 2011 and use same cal licences ?"
No I am afraid not.

>>"can microsoft give me any pricing discount as i am going to upgrade my existing SBS 2003 to SBS 2011 ?"
No there is no upgrade or discount path. They do provide documentation to migrate to SBS 2011.
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