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Why is a mobile MIFI device necessary if the signal is received from a cell tower?

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Hi,

Why is it necessary to convert a  cell tower signal  to a WIFI signal for certain IPAD and mobile device applications?  Some apps work ok without WIFI and others require WIFI.

Thanks,
Howie
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The most-common use of a MiFi device I'm aware of is to give internet access to 3 or 4 people with laptops while commuting.

Did you mean iPod rather than IPAD?

Got any examples of an app that works with WiFi present but won't work when connected directly to a cell tower?

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examples:

Comcast xfinity  (play now) for Ipad,  (TV) for Lqptops and desktops.
Any wifi will do.

More to follow

THANKS  
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examples:

Itunes - keeps stalling out very poor if at all from cell

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examples:

These also won't work or are slow and stop and need to be restarted without WIFI:

New York Times Videos
Facebook Videos  slow and stop, work much better with wifi.
Generaly, multimedia video in most live feeds work much better with
WIFI.

I don't understand the technical advantage that WIFI through MIFI provides over
a connection to the cell not using WIFI.

However, there is one possiblity I have not explored.
 
Wifi from a hard wired bridge may be necessary.   Like a hotspot.  And a MIFI,
which is a transformation of a cell signal into an apparent WIFI, may in fact, not work, in the examples listed above.  I'm running these test using a Lynksys WIFI
bridge connected to Comcast High Speed Internet.

I shall visit an AT&T and a Verizon store, with my IPAD,  and ask for a demo.
The question will be, how will I know if I'm getting the WIFI signal from their
bridge and not their MIFI?  If my guess is correct,  Comcast error (you need
to be connected to WIFI)  may mean you need a hot spot link to a bridge
broadcasting high speed internet.
 
The Verizon MIFI is less than 10 bucks and I can always delete the software
and cancel the monthly payment.  There is no contract for these MIFI services,
according to Verizon coorporate sales support.
I'll be back.   We should save this posting, if I turn out to be correct.   It wil save
a lot of guys from being ripped off.  But there is always,  (I could be wrong).


Again,
Thanks for your help,
Howie








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> I don't understand the technical advantage that WIFI through MIFI
provides over a connection to the cell not using WIFI.

There wouldn't be any.

> I'm running these test using a Lynksys WIFI
bridge connected to Comcast High Speed Internet.

I'm sure that would make all the difference, especially through Verizon, whose speed (with fairly strong signal) tops out around 600Kbps (0.6Mb/s) without an external high-gain antenna. See the chart about halfway down http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EV-DO - I have never seen a signal:noise ratio (SNR) higher than 1 on either a phone or an EV-DO adapter without an external antenna. With GSM's HSDPA, the 7.2Mbps level is easily reached without an external antenna, if you're lucky enough to be near the signal (there is no GSM signal within 5 miles in any direction of my house). See the chart near the middle of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSDPA page.
Comcast's average 'basic' speed is 6Mbps, and many people get faster than that even without paying extra for 10Mb, 15Mb or 20Mb/s service (when traffic is heavy on Comcast, their network slows down to the advertised speeds, though). You need about 750Kbps to stream 480p youtube video, about 1Mbps to stream standard def video, and 5Mbps or higher to stream HD video.

I'm not aware of the iPad being available in a CDMA/EV-DO version... only GSM/HSDPA (and WiFi).
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Thanks,
Howie
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darr247,

Hi,

It's me again.   This is some more info related to our chat on 3/15/11.
May I ask, again, for your knowledge?

I have purchased an AS 2 Wi Fi Antenna EZ.com, 2.4-2.5 GHZ OMNI 8.5 DBI DA-24-03.
This was made for a marine system using an interface Base Unit EBU-101-01 module for a 12 volt supply, a Bullet2-HP Radio connected to the WI FI Antenna EZ external antenna, and a  EnGenius 11G Wireless Nano router.  It works well and connects to open WIFI and closed and protected  Xfinity, from my Ipad.

However,  there is a mystery to be solved.  "The game is afoot, Watson."

On my Ipad I have an application for Comcast's Xfinity.
I also have apps for PBS and for HBO streaming programming.

The PBS and HBO do not use WIFI.  They use the cell towers.
There is no noticeable difference between  the Xfinity WIFI and
the HBO/PBS Videos.  The quality and throughput seems to be
the same.   I have turned off the WIFI radio for the HBO/PBS tests.

The leading personal entertainment industry in developing leading edge
entertainment video and, now, interactive mechanical control
hardware,   use the cell towers.  And it works, obviously.
They had the first apps for the Ipad.  
NOT available from Itunes, of course.

I would have thought this was not possible, with all the fuss Xfinity makes
over WIFI?

Thanks for your time,
Howie
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