Licensing SBS 2011 and two Win Server 2008 R2 with SQL Server for Small Business 2008 R2 Open Volume Licence

Guys,

I am having issue with licensing on SBS 2011. Two quotes which come from Dell partner and HP partner have different opinion.

I am planning to buy three new server.
1. PDC/Exchange on SBS 2011 St.
2. Sage CRM on Win Server 2008 R2 St with SQL Server for Small Business 2008 R2 sngl 1 Lic Open Volume Licence
3.Sage MMS on  Win Server 2008 R2 St with SQL Server for Small Business 2008 R2 sngl 1 Lic Open Volume Licence

HP Partner said that above configurations is not right while Dell partner saying its right.
Called Microsoft, As usual they were not able to help.

Currently, I have got two server which I will keep on network after upgrade to new server.
1. SBS 2003 ( will use as file server after disabling all SBS related services)
2. Win Server 2003 R2 Pro with SQL 2005.


Please could you help me.
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Glen KnightCommented:
First of all, there is no souch thing as a PDC anymore, this hasn't been the case since NT4 days, you now have a PDC Emulator FSMO role.

As the Sage CRM and MMS can both be hosted on the same SQL and Windows Server there should be no need to put them on seperate servers, therefore SBS2011 Premium which comes with an additional license for Windows and SQL Server.

>>>1. SBS 2003 ( will use as file server after disabling all SBS related services)

You cannot do this, once the SBS2003 server is finished with it will need to be formatted, using it for any other purpose is in breach of license agreements for SBS and is illegal.

See also my migration guide here: http://www.experts-exchange.com/OS/Microsoft_Operating_Systems/Server/SBS_Small_Business_Server/A_4234-Migrate-Small-Business-Server-2003-to-Small-Business-Server-2011.html

And also a great blog entry from leew here: http://www.experts-exchange.com/blogs/leew/B_4284-Installing-Upgrading-SBS-in-My-Small-Business.html
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VijaytyagiAuthor Commented:
Dear Demazter,

Thanks you very much for  your prompt reply.

Agree with you on PDC Emunlator FSMO and sure we can't use SBS 2003 again.

About Sage CRM and MMS, Sage partner advised us to have three server because of performance issue.
Server 1 for CRM Database
Server 2 for CRM Web and
Server 3 for MMS.
But we have no plan to go for three server so we consedring option for two server.
If we go for  SBS Premium add on then that is more expancive then Win 2008 R2 St with SQL 2008.
Thats why we thought buying seprate Win 2008 R2 St with SQL 2008 would be cheaper then SBS 2011 Premium add- on.

Thank you
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Glen KnightCommented:
When you buy SBS2011 premium you are buying the SBS server and the second server that's why it looks more expensive.

How many users are you using Sage with?
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VijaytyagiAuthor Commented:
Sage CRM with 70 user and sage MMS with 25 user.
Our CRM database is around 70GB and MMS database is around 7GB.

Many thanks
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Glen KnightCommented:
Well if that's what Sage are saynig you have to go with what they say I guess.

Can the servers both use the same SQL install? You can probably get away without a second SQL Server license.

If you need to 2 servers then do the following:

SBS2011 Premium
Additional Windows 2008 R2 License with SQL (if you cannot use the one that comes with SBS2011 Premium for both)
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Cliff GaliherCommented:
Point of clarification there demazter: SBS2008 Premium was a two-server solution.

In the 2011 series of products, however, there is no "premium edition." There is instead a "premium add-on" which is additive. You buy SBS 2011 Standard and then buy the SBS Premium add-on if you want a second server with SQL.

Similarly CALs have changed as well. SBS 2011 Premium CALs are not all encompassing. Like Exchange Enterprise or Lync Enterprise CALs, they are additive. You must have an SBS 2011 Standard CAL, and then if the user is going to access the SQL database, you add the premium CAL to it.

Pricing-wise, the premium add-on is more expensive than a stand-alone Windows SErver 2008 R2 Standard Edition license, but less expensive than R2 + SQL 2008 R2.  This means that if you need SQL, you are better off buying the premium add-on, but if all you need is the server license (perhaps as an application or RDS server, for example) then you can buy the stand-alone license. Thisadds more flexibility to purchasing that 2008 did.

So, while I would be carefule about using the word "right" ...for what you need, I'd purchase as follows:

Server 1: SBS 2011 Standard.
   This will be your AD server, your Exchange server, etc.

Server 2: SBS 2011 Premium add-on.
   This will be strictly a database server. Plenty of RAM and CPU will keep performance up even when running multiple instances for your two Sage programs.

Server 3: Windows Server 2008 R2.
   Install your two Sage programs here. Since the heavy lifting is happening on the SQL server, even a moderately spec'd box should provide good performance for most SMB-sized databases.

Overall I think that infrastructure gives you plenty of scalability for the near future and will be easier to migrate to future versions of Windows server as needs arise.

HTH,

-Cliff
 
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Glen KnightCommented:
I can see I need to brush up on my SBS2011 licensing skills and terminology :(
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Philip ElderTechnical Architect - HA/Compute/StorageCommented:
Something to keep in mind is that you are very close to the 75 user limit ins the SBS product.

As a result you may be better off with:
 
Win2K8 R2 Standard x3 + CALs for all three
SQL STD lic + CALs

RD Web App replaces the Remote Web Access portal on SBS quite nicely though ot does not have the file access feature that RWA in SBS 2011.

Philip
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VijaytyagiAuthor Commented:
Thanks for your help guys.
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