ms word to adobe pdf

Hello

Got a PDF question. I am trying to add a logo via MS WORD, which I can do well. Then when I try to save the MSWORD file to a PDF file, the header (text and logo) look fair at 100 view, but when I go to 150 or 200 or above it looks real bad.

I am profiecent in photoshop, I have the logo saved in EPS and AI, and I have illustrator cs4, how can I take this logo and then save it how and to what where when I insert it into MSWORD and shrink it down with picture format, and then save that as a PDF the logo will look perfect at 100 view and will scale almost perfect at a 200-300 view in PDF without being distorted?

If anyone can provide me with the 1, 2, 3, steps begin to end, I would appreciate at it.

Again I have the software, and the logo in raw format.

Thank you
sticks2uAsked:
Who is Participating?
 
Brian GeeCommented:
Go ahead and send it over to nospam [at] yobri [dot] com...
0
 
Brian GeeCommented:
I saved a VMware logo that I had created awhile ago in Illustrator to EPS format.

From Word 2010, I inserted the EPS file and then resized it smaller using the corner handlebars.

I then printed the output using Adobe PDF as the printer.

The output came out with vector properties intact. I've blown up the view to 600% and it is still smooth and crisp.
0
 
Brian GeeCommented:
Try printing using Adobe PDF rather than saving using Word's native PDF functionality. Attached are the files that I ran the test on before I posted up here.

vmware-logo-vector-test-from-Wor.pdf
vmware-logo-vector-test-from-Wor.docx
0
Introducing Cloud Class® training courses

Tech changes fast. You can learn faster. That’s why we’re bringing professional training courses to Experts Exchange. With a subscription, you can access all the Cloud Class® courses to expand your education, prep for certifications, and get top-notch instructions.

 
sticks2uAuthor Commented:
I think your off just a hair in what I am doing. I don't need or care to print anything.

I am in ms word, I want to bring in my logo, then resize it, and then type my body messages......

Save as PDF......

Then open that PDF....at a 1:1 ratio 100%...view...then have the logo be clean clear crisp...then also be able to scale up to 200...view...for folks who can't see well, or even 250 etc view ....and still have the logo look clean, clear, crisp...

Using a normal png logo, from this eps file, it looks ok at 100% view....just ok not great....go to 125 or 200 then look out it goes blurry ....crap...

I got all the software and the raw files, so I'm sure there is a way to do this properly
Thanks
0
 
Brian GeeCommented:
There are 2 ways to create a PDF with your scenario (that is, starting from Word)... Save as a PDF or print to PDF both of which yield the same result, that being a newly generated PDF file.
 
It sounds like Word's ability to create the PDF with vector properties of the inserted graphic intact is an issue, so I wanted to provide an alternate route that yields the same result (but hopefully with vector properties retained).
0
 
Brian GeeCommented:
Please take a look at the previously attached Word document. I inserted the EPS file and then typed a quick blurb. From that document, I created a PDF file (also attached a few posts above). Zooming from 100% to 600% in the PDF file keeps the inserted image crisp and clean and smooth. The vector properties are intact.
0
 
sticks2uAuthor Commented:
Ok let me put some time in this, probably be tomorrow, but will let you know bud.

And meantime I see if more post, thanks so far.
0
 
Brian GeeCommented:
NP, man. I'm mobile right now, but I had to look up PNG to see if it vector or not. It appears that it is raster thus won't zoom without distortion.

For a test, save to PDF the Word doc I attached earlier. I suspect it is going to come out fine, that is, the image in the PDF will be smooth and without distortion when you go substantially up from 100% zoom.

If this pans out, the PNG file is at issue. During that quick search I made earlier to see if PNG was vector, I did see some results that claimed to be able convert (rather, re-draw) PNG files to vector format.

Hope this helps.
0
 
Brian GeeCommented:
Just got home and opened the Word doc, went to Save As, and saved as a PDF file. The vector properties were intact (meaning that Word's ability to create PDFs with vector properties intact are without issue) and I zoomed in 6400% without any distortion.

Since I wasn't able to find a suitable vector (AI, EPS, PS, SVG) VMware logo online, I had to create (draw) the one you see in the Word doc and PDF file from scratch in Illustrator (CS2).
0
 
sticks2uAuthor Commented:
I'm mobile also....

So I can save this file from illustrator in png, or many formats that might work.

So in layman terms, what do I need to do ??

Can I save this logo I'm using in a vector? And then import into word?

Give me your easiest steps. 1-2-3-4 to achieve this please.

Thanks
0
 
Brian GeeCommented:
Since I haven't seen the logo image in question, I can't comment on this particular instance, but it is usually unlikely that your PNG can be converted to (true) vector ready since non-vector formats aren't really able to become true vector but vector formats are able to become raster (non-vector).

Like I mentioned before, I was not able to find a good vector format VMware logo online (I'm sure they are out there, but my Google-fu was not strong enough it appears) so I tried to find the largest logo I could find and then saved it. I opened it with Illustrator and then re-drew (recreated) the logo using the image I found online as my guide. I essentially tried to trace it but Illustrator tools that would invariably get me the EPS I was aiming for.

There were tools online that claimed to be able create you a vector file from a PNG, but I can't vouch for any of those.

If you want to try to recreate the logo using Illustrator...:

1) Open the PNG in Adobe Illustrator
2) Start a new layer
3) Use the tools therein to try and 'trace' the existing logo
4) After you're done, save into AI, EPS, or your preferred format

The biggest benefit of doing this (despite being quite timely) is that you could use the output for a myriad of uses online (the logo as big or small as you want) or in print (from being on labels to well larger than poster size) while retaining crispness.

If there's any easier way to recreate the PNG as AI/EPS, I wouldn't doubt it but the way I noted is the best way I know how to do it. Good luck!
0
 
sticks2uAuthor Commented:
Hey bro I have the logo already in a eps format and also a AI format from the designer......so I am golden

Png was just me asking do I save as, that file type to get it into word then convert to PDF....

So knowing that I now have this logo in a raw eps format, tell me how to achieve this goal with Vector please.
0
 
Brian GeeCommented:
From Word 2010Insert > Picture > find the EPS file in question > Insert button.

That's it. You can then resize using the white circles at the corners while keeping the image ratio intact.
0
 
Brian GeeCommented:
From Word 2003Insert > Picture > From File... > find the EPS file in question > Insert button.

EPS format is supported in both Word versions as a default image file type to insert in a Word document.
0
 
sticks2uAuthor Commented:
Yobri...Please read and re read my post, you will see I know already how to do this in msword 2010.

Can resize, position, etc beautiful in word.....it's when I save as PDF, and then open, the logo is rough looking at 100% normal , buy really whack at 125, 200, 235%....percent viewable.

Hope this clears it up some
0
 
Brian GeeCommented:
See, that's where I'm having slight doubts about the vector properties of the EPS file... it should easily zoom without severe pixelation or distortion...

Are you able to post up the EPS file here? If you're not comfortable doing so, then you could search for an EPS online and try to insert it into your Word doc and then save it as a PDF so you can see how zooming in on a vector image should appear/function.

If you want, let me know and I'll find you one online so you can run this demo yourself (only after I get back to a keyboard though)...
0
 
sticks2uAuthor Commented:
I will have to come back to this question, on Thursday. Maybe I can post it for you.
0
 
Brian GeeCommented:
Here's an example to illustrate this a bit... I created two EPS files: one file in Illustrator (AI), and the other in Photoshop (PS) at 300dpi. The AI file is 560KB, while the PS file comes out at 6.4MB.

I inserted both the Illustrator and Photoshop EPS files into a Word document (attached) and then saved to PDF (also attached).

Opening the PDF file, the AI image and the PS image look equally good at 100%. Ramp up to 200%, and the PS image gets a bit fuzzy but still looks really good. At 300%, the PS image gets a bit distorted/pixelated, but at 400% you can see that it is not very close to the AI image in terms of clarity anymore. Go higher and higher and you'll see the differences between the two become profoundly pronounced.

I put up this example to illustrate that despite a file being in an EPS format, vector properties are not necessarily ensured. I'm wondering if the EPS file you have was converted from another file format, or created in PS instead of AI...
ee-sticks2u-110330-01.docx
ee-sticks2u-110330-01.pdf
0
 
sticks2uAuthor Commented:
yobri....hey just checking in real quick will be able to look at this on friday....but after I read your post, i loaded a word doc 2010 blank and inserted my EPS file into it....(didnt know you could use a EPS in word, but you can I guess).....so the logo is large of course, and I use the image tools to reduce it down to a 1:1 and it looks choppy at best...

so when you was in AI, how do you make a vector image or if you save any image with a EPS format is it vector?....my logo is TEXT and a small symbol.....so I might be able to recreate this from my own AI and use it in a true vector.....tell me how.....just type the font name, then add the PNG logo to it and then save, or do something to the png logo symbol and then save all at once to EPS?
0
 
Brian GeeCommented:
Unfortunately, you'll need to recreate the entire image in AI... but after you do, you'll have an image format (.ai, .eps, .svg, etc.) that you can easily resize within the lossless format. Try it.... you don't even have to get it exact like your current logo for this test. After you get your new temporary logo created, insert it into Word and take a look at how well you can resize to your needs...

Start with a canvas in AI and type the text portion of your logo. From here, just to see how it will work for you by saving it to EPS and then get it into your Word document and then save to PDF. If you like what you see, return to the open AI file and begin using the shapes and/or drawing tools available to recreate the small symbol (hint: if it is something somewhat common, you might be able to find it online in a vector format... this would save you time).

If you try and add the PNG logo to the AI canvas, it will not have the lossless properties that the text portion you typed in will.... you can try it yourself and you'll see the results during the final step which is the outputted PDF format. Re-creating it really is your best option...

Good luck, man!
0
 
sticks2uAuthor Commented:
yobri.....what is email for you? i might see if i can email it and you look or fix it and send to me, that way i can be done..

I just want the size large, and when I scale down in word and add as photo and then type my paragraphs and convert to PDF it looks ok.....@ 100......or @ 300
0
 
sticks2uAuthor Commented:
I got the original Eps...and AI....if I can email I will ....tired of running into a wall here...

I think they are real....each letter as points, and centers, etc

But for me, I just don't get it...I try to load eps into word file, looks ok default large, I shrink down , looks fair ....,save to PDF....open.....looks like crap small ...and worse large
0
 
sticks2uAuthor Commented:
Got to confirm first that I can, then will do it.....thanks
0
 
sticks2uAuthor Commented:
sent
0
 
sticks2uAuthor Commented:
Thank you
0
Question has a verified solution.

Are you are experiencing a similar issue? Get a personalized answer when you ask a related question.

Have a better answer? Share it in a comment.

All Courses

From novice to tech pro — start learning today.