Rules Wizard and Junk Mail in Outlook

It seems that Outlook 2010 moves what it has identified as Junk mail into the Junk Mail folder before it processes my rules. Sometimes it marks valid messages as junk and so my rules never see the message.

Is there a way to deal with this situation?

ou81aswellAsked:
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Chris BottomleySoftware Quality Lead EngineerCommented:
Add them to the exclude:

Home Tab | Delete Pane | JUnk Mail drop down

Select Safe senders tab and add the addresses you want to be accepted.

Chris
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ou81aswellAuthor Commented:
Thanks but that doesn't work for me because I don't know who the sender is ahead of time.

Safe senders has never worked well for me because I receive a ton of spam that impersonates me (eg. it looks like I sent a message to myself).
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Chris BottomleySoftware Quality Lead EngineerCommented:
Unless you turn it off then the junk mail filter will of course pick anything suspiscious up.  Not sure what you are looking for then.

Adding safe senders, or setting the junk level are the only options short of disabling junk mail.

Note rules cannot be run before the junk mail feature so if that is the nature of the question then the answer is no.

Chris
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ou81aswellAuthor Commented:
I guess that running rules before the junk filter was the nature of my question. Thanks.

How do third party junk mail filters (I'm assuming they're available for modern versions of Outlook) process incoming messages? Is is reasonably straight forward to roll my own given that I have written a number of VB.net (2010) Outlook COM Addins in my time including one last year that runs on both the 32 and 64 bit versions of Outlook 2010.

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Chris BottomleySoftware Quality Lead EngineerCommented:
Cannot speak for third party but for example you could use rules by setting a rule that checks for any address in your contacts folder, it will be static but adding all the current mails will make maintenance easier).

Where the address is found then ok.

Subsequent rules can do the current functions

Another rule at the end to move them to a folder mark as read for example pending your analysis for new senders.

Chris
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ou81aswellAuthor Commented:
Thanks but doesn't that still depend on a rule and that rule won't see any messages that Outlook moved to the Junk Folder?

I may not have been clear in my last post. I was wondering if writing my own Junk Mail Filter would be a way to get around the problem of rules running after Outlook filters the junk mail. I'm assuming that 3rd party Junk Mail filters are specialized addins for Outlook and since I've already written a few, it may not be all that difficult.
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Chris BottomleySoftware Quality Lead EngineerCommented:
I also wasn't clear ... what I meant was to disable the junk mail filter since your 'new' first rule will remove anything that isn't from someone in your address book.

The addresses are however static so new agreed senders have to be added to the filter as well.

Chris
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ou81aswellAuthor Commented:
Thanks again. I receive messages from the general public so they're not likely to be in my address book.

I'll start a new question about writing my own junk mail filter to replace (or work along-side Outlook's Junk mail filter)
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