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Backup hardware

We are a smb. We back up to external drive using backup exec 2010. Our backups can go back only 2 weeks. What would you recommend I do so that I can go back 6 months to 1 year. Not looking to add more external drives.. was thinking of a NAS or something along those lines.. Under $1000.  Please advise.

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dbruntonCommented:
If you get a NAS that puts your dependency on the NAS.  What happens if that goes bust?

How much data are you backing up?
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GorapsI.T. ManagerAuthor Commented:
Right now about 400gig
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cavp76Commented:
For under $1K, I would consider a external DAT tape drive; so you can keep tapes as long as you want...

HTH
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cavp76Commented:
Didn't see the amount of data... LTO3 or LTO4 drives (800 GB / 1.6 TB max per tape) would be an option, but they are $1.8K up...
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dbruntonCommented:
Is that 400 Gb everything?  If so how much does the incremental data change each day?
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GorapsI.T. ManagerAuthor Commented:
Full backup nightly.
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dbruntonCommented:
For that sort of data size I'd recommend going tape.  Cheaper than disk.  But as cavp76 states the cost of the units are hitting under the $2K mark.  And then you've got the cost of the tapes themselves.

With tape you can take them offsite and store them in case your building gets destroyed.  A NAS isn't so portable.

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CNS_SupportCommented:
Backup strategies are very dependent on your configuration and needs.
A common strategy that is used more regularly today is Disk to Disk to Disk or Disk to Disk to Tape.
The solution you are looking for will cost you more than your current budjet but you may be able to cut some corners until the budget will allow an upgrade.
Recently supplied a Qnap TS-419P+ NAS for about $1,600 AUD with 2 x 2Tb enterprise grade drives in a mirror.  This configuration will also allow for other drives to be added.
You could use this together with some third party software (Shadow Protect or Acronis) to do regular backups to your fixed NAS (up to 300 a day with shadow protect).
You can then use Backup Exec to backup your NAS to tape or disk as required for off site backups.
Shadow Protect uses Sector level backups.  The initial backup will take some time but all subsequent backups will only take minutes as they are incremental backups.  Backups are run at the sector level and therefore do not require the entire file to be backed up, only what has changed.
As an added benefit.  If your Server dies, you can virtual boot your image from the NAS and be running in minutes.
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noxchoGlobal Support CoordinatorCommented:
What if you go with differential or incremental backups instead of taking full backup each time? For example system data does not change so often like databases and you do not need to backup it every week. Once per month full backup and then incrementals (which are definitely smaller than full image and quicker in processing).
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GorapsI.T. ManagerAuthor Commented:
CNS Support:  How can you solution help me with the abilty to go back 6 months to a year of Monthly Backups?
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dosdet2Commented:
Check out backup for workgroups.  You can specify how many backups to keep.  It's an incremental repository system, does not backup duplicates and you mirror it to an external drive for off-site storage.  Pricing is good, you would need a workstation with a large (1.5 - 2TB) secondary drive to act as the database repository and portable USB drives for transport (2.5" drives work best for transport).

We use this with 6 servers and about 900 GB.  If you don't want to keep all the backups 6 months on-line, just stash a transport drive every 3-6 months.  They are just a little more $$ than price as a high capacity tape.  You can try it free, at least the software, and it will cost you a hard drive.  If you go with this - make sure your repository drive is an enterprise class drive.  You won't be sorry.
My 2¢ worth.
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GorapsI.T. ManagerAuthor Commented:
dosdet2: What operation system should the Workstation be?
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dosdet2Commented:
We use Windows XP.  Works good.  

A suggestion, try to have full Gbit from the backup workstation to the servers.  After the initial backup, each of our servers take between 15 to 50 minutes to backup, depending on how busy the day was.  We backup a voice mail server also and we do that one 4 times a day - takes about 4-5 minutes each time.  

Make sure you get the open file copy option with it, if you run exchange or SQL server or something similar (with constantly open files).  It uses shadow copy.
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GorapsI.T. ManagerAuthor Commented:
What type of enterprise class drives are you using?
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dosdet2Commented:
They are Seagate Constellation ES  (ST32000644NS) 2 TB.  The NS at the end of the model number indicate an enterprise drive for Seagate model numbers.  Seagate models ending in AS are consumer drives.
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GorapsI.T. ManagerAuthor Commented:
Wondering if I could get away with a Dell Dimension 4600 with the 2TB drive?  WOuld the software be installed on Windows 2003 server or on this Xp box?
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dosdet2Commented:
In a work station.  There is a client that runs on the servers.
It is preferable that the Backup data NOT be on the same drive as the OS / system.
If the 2TB drive is a secondary drive on the Dell, that is fine.  

Our backup is on a dell optiplex 740 with an 80gb system drive and the 2TB secondary drive.
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GorapsI.T. ManagerAuthor Commented:
dosdet2: What external drives are you using?
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dosdet2Commented:
We are actually using the Seagate FreeAgent 1.5 TB drives (3) for external mirrors.  They are 3.5" drives and are not really designed for transport - per Seagate.  We rotate them every week and are very careful with transporting them.  These are NOT enterprise class drives (wish they were), and if / when I set them up again I think I would use a dock with enterprise class bare drives - or use the 2.5" USB units - they are build especially for transporting.  Seagates (1.5TB - 2.5") units are available at Cosco today for $119  -  capacities are going up, prices are coming down on these.

Our Mirror drives only run 1 week out of every 3 weeks and before swapping them in, we run a full scandisk w/fix and a defrag.  This keeps the data from unknown degradation and will help alert us to a possible drive failure before it's too late to do something about it.

So actually on our most critical Data, we have 2 separate backups with 2 separate technologies and different rotation schedules.  I lost some data once because of a failed "bullet-proof" backup system - I'm making sure that it's not going to happen again.
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