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Windows 7 questions...

This is basically an "Uneducated Admin" question, so it should be easy.

I am one of those persons who has only used Windows XP in the office. I wasen't impressed with Vista, so I never deployed it.

Now that XP is slowly "Going the way of the DohDoh...", I am forced to begin to working with the new Windows 7.

I am using the professional version at the office on a laptop and the home edition at home. My frame of reference is XP Pro, as I have never used Vista.

In XP, I am used to playing around in the "Documents and Settings" directory to control who gets what Icons when they log in. This allows me to keep the menues clean, only showing each used what I want them to see, rather than everything. This is especally usefull at home, As I have a Games login, and then a business login, and I don't want to see any of the Game stuff in the business login, and certian Business things I don't want in the other.

I under stand that it is now all under C:\Users... but I am confused about how to controll it all. Most often, when trying to make changes, I am confrounted with a permissions issue where I am not allowed to mess with certian parts of the directories.

Finally...

Is there an "Idiots" guide to the differences between Win 7 and the earler versions -especally XP. There are so many more directories by default, and shortcuts that don't seem to go anywhere, something to guide my way would be nice.

Thanks
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RKoons
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grayeCommented:
Well, let's start with something simple....   The "All Users" menu items in Win7 are stored at:

C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu

The "Default User" menu items are now at:

C:\Users\Default\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu

There are a gazzillion web references on transitioning from WinXP...
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scifo_dkCommented:
Your correct about the "c:\Users" part. if you want to set icons for all users, you put them into the "C:\Users\Default" folder (requires admin rights), and if you want to put the icons into the users account, you put them into "C:\Users\USERNAME".

Regarding the guide, microsoft has some intro material here:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/help

//Scifo_dk
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RKoonsAuthor Commented:
OK...

But what is the deal with all the permission restrictions. For example, when I go to "C:\Users\default\start menu" it says that I have to be an administrator. But the account I am logged in as is an administrator.

Also, there is an account "Computer name\Administrator", but I can't log in as that person...

This version of Windows I am using is the home edition. Does that make a difference?

Also...

Does the Home version allow two DVD burners. XP Home did not allow this.

Thanks in advance!
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grayeCommented:
Those are "place holders" so that older applications can still find things where they are expected.  However, those same locations are *NOT* accessible by a user session of explorer.   So, no amount of prodding on your part is gonna make it work.

.... that's why I pointed out the correct (new) locations for the few things that I thought you might be having trouble with.  For example, the C:\Users\default\start menu is really at C:\Users\Default\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu.
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LeeTutorretiredCommented:
The account called simply "Administrator" is usually hidden and disabled by default; that is the reason you can't logon to it.  Some of the locations which are not under your control and can't be accessed even if you are logged on as an Adminstrator are "junction points" that Windows 7 maintains in order to try and let old XP programs that haven't been updated to work with Vista or Win7 still operate.  For example, if you disable "hide protected system folders" in Folder Options, you will see in Windows Explorer a reference to the Documents and Settings folder; this is one of those junction points and is really a pointer to the new location for that folder used in Vista/Win7, namely the Users folder.  Some other locations not only need you to logon as an Adminstrator, but also to use the "run as Administrator" option to be able to access.  This is part of the User Account Control feature introduced in Vista and continued in Windows 7.

>Is there an "Idiots" guide to the differences between Win 7 and the earler versions -especally XP.

I've searched the internet for such a website and found nothing that would be suitable to your needs.  If you don't want to spend the money on buying a good book on Windows 7 -- my recommendation would be David Pogue's "Windows 7 The Missing Manual" -- then you might find my personal website useful in at least introducing you to the main features of Windows 7 and in many cases contrasting them to Windows Vista and Windows XP:

http://www.exploringwindows.com/7thSon/index.html

This is divided up into about 4 dozen different pages organized into categories of topics on using Windows 7, for example: Control Panel, Desktop and Taskbar, Networks and Security, System Tools, etc.  
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scifo_dkCommented:
In addition to graye and LeeTutors answers.

This version of Windows I am using is the home edition. Does that make a difference?
- No, the arrangement with administrator and folderpaths are the same with all versions of Windows 7.

Does the Home version allow two DVD burners. XP Home did not allow this.
- It does, yes.

Also, like LeeTutor says, it's very rare that you need to login as administrator, because you can mostly use the "Run as administrator" function by rightclicking a file, and choosing that.

However, if you need to login as administrator, heres a guide to turn it on:
http://www.petri.co.il/enable-the-windows-7-administrator-account.htm

Thanks in advance!
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LeeTutorretiredCommented:
RKoons, any feedback?
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RKoonsAuthor Commented:
Sorry for the delay...

All good stuff but unfortunatly I am at the office now and in the world of XP.

Tonight and tomorrw I will look into this more deeply and respond more in depth. And yes, I will go out and get a good Win 7 book... I'll add it to my collection.

The real point here is:

Not that I have any real problem, but that I just want to understand, and I am a little obsessed about trying to orginize the start menu.

And you know, I did "Unhide" hidden folders. This is because, again, I like to know what is going on and in Windows XP, nothing hidden was inaccessable, and was sometimes important to be able to see...

I can see that in this version, the reverse might be better... Ignorance is Bliss, as they say.

Thanks all...

Again, I will spend some time with this tonight and wrap this up ASAP...
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RKoonsAuthor Commented:
OK...

I'm beginning to think that I should have purchased the Pro version of Win 7 rather than the Home version.

Basically, I found how to get to the "All Users" directory, and I was able to clean up quite a bit... No Problem.

I then found a user that I wanted to add things to their "Start Menu", but was not able to do so... even as that user. Specific articles tell about changing permissions, or logging in as... but as the user who owens the profile, I am not allowed to change these permissions, and there is no "Log in as" that I can find in the home edition.

I even found the article about how to enable  the Administrator account, but when I go to "My Computer", and then go to "manage", the option to open Users and groups did not exist... (I swear, I'm not sure who they are trying to protect me from, myself...?).

Next, I will try the CMD version I found to activate the Admin account.

I appreatiate your assistance, and will close this out by Monday...
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grayeCommented:
Well, let's start with something simple....   The "All Users" menu items in Win7 are stored at:

C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu
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RKoonsAuthor Commented:
OK...

That works...

Now...

Where do I find "User Specific" Start Menus that are accessable.

Specifically, sometimes I want to have a specific user to have access to the Icons for a program. So, in the simplest form, say I want to move a desktop Icon or a start menu program group from "All Users", to as specific user...
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LeeTutorretiredCommented:
Those are at the following:

C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu
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