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how to move windows server 2008 basic to new hardware

I'm trying to upgrade a Windows Server 2008 (r1) domain controller to newer hardware.

I installed a fresh version of Server 2008 on the new hardware, and then used the Server Backup Restore to another hard drive. But when I boot to the hard drive where the restore was performed, it gets an error and cannot boot.  

I've tried loading drivers from the motherboard CD (Asus), and I was able to install HD audio and LAN, but the other devices didn't seem to have a "setup" file for Windows to use in installing drivers.  I'm sure the actual drivers are there, but probably Asus installer is doing something non-standard and Windows facility to load drivers can't work.

I tried restoring this machine a couple years ago just to be sure I could do it in an emergency using Server 2008 backup, and for that PC, the drivers either were the same or loaded okay.  But not on this new hardware.  I'm going from PATA to SATA HD, but both are AMD.

Is there a way to copy the domain controller information to a fresh install of Server 2008?  So long as all the configuration information is moved, that would work. Keep in mind, this our domain controller.
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JBond2010Commented:
You have your old Server and you now have a new Server with a fresh copy of Windows Server 2008. If you add the new Server to the domain and then promote the new Server as DC by running dcpromo. The Active Directory database will then replicate to the new Server. You can also then install the DNS role and DNS will replicate to the new as-well.
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wilri01Author Commented:
Okay.

One other consideration:  All desktop PCs have desktops, My Documents, etc. redirected to a USB drive on the current domain controller, which is name "DC".  I want this USB drive to be connected to the new machine, so it would seem like a lot of work if the new machine isn't called "DC", also.

So after the new machine, let's call it DC2, has Active Directory and DNS running on it, I can disconnect the old machine and rename the new one "DC", move the USB drive to it, and all the desktop redirection will work?

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JBond2010Commented:
Before you can remove the old DC from the domain you have to transfer all 5 FSMO Roles to the new Domain Controller. The 5 FSMO Roles are The Schema Master Role, the Domain Naming Master Role, the PDC Emulator Role, the Infrastructure Master Role and the RID Master Role. Refer to the link below.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/255504

With regard to the user's My Documents; when you have migrated all the data over to the new Server you can use Group Policy to redirect their My Documents.

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JBond2010Commented:
Also, if your old DC is performing DHCP you can move the DHCP database to the new DC. Refer to the link below and this will explain how to move the DHCP database to the new DC.

http://www.petri.co.il/dhcp-server-migration-made-easy-windows-server-2008.htm
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JBond2010Commented:
When you want to remove the old DC from the Domain you will have to demote the old DC to properly remove it from Active Directory. The link below will explain to you how to remove a Domain Controller from the Domain.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc771844(WS.10).aspx
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wilri01Author Commented:
I'm not really a MS sysprog, I'm just a volunteer for a small church learning as I go.  And it seems a whole lot simpler to be able to restore the original machine to the new hardware using Server backup restore.

Perhaps I could use the Asus motherboard CD to install drivers on the old machine, backup, and then restore?
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JBond2010Commented:
What your trying to do is restore a System State Backup to new hardware. But this is not really the best way to go about it.

Have a look at the link below and this should provide some guidance.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/249694
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subhashchyCommented:
I installed a fresh version of Server 2008 on the new hardware, and then used the Server Backup Restore to another hard drive. But when I boot to the hard drive where the restore was performed, it gets an error and cannot boot.  

I've tried loading drivers from the motherboard CD (Asus), and I was able to install HD audio and LAN, but the other devices didn't seem to have a "setup" file for Windows to use in installing drivers.

from above i assume that you perfromed restore using windows back utitlity on another hard drive.

Now, when you try to boot into the 2nd hard drive what is the error you are getting ?




PS: the drvers you installed seems to be installed from the first OS which will have no effect on the OS on 2nd drive.
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arnoldCommented:
JBond2010 is trying to lead you through the path of least resistance and one that offers the most success with limited complication.

Folder redirections means that the setup is with roaming profiles?

To avoid the situation you now have dealing with the redirected folder (my documents, etc. sitting on a server based share (usb or other)
The way to avoid it in the future is to use a domain based share via DFS management)

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc732863%28WS.10%29.aspx
In the version you have it includes DFS-replication which will make transitions in the future simpler.

If possible, you should keep both DCs running.

Hopefully, your new system has enough space to host the users' profiles/folders such that you do not rely on an external USB storage (extra wires 'power' and 'usb') are suseptible to erros.

You would still need to update the GPO for the redirected folders as well as the roaming profiles.
The GPO can be managed through GPMC (Group Policy Management) administrative tool.
You would need to take away the redirection such that these folders are copied back to the profile and then redirect them to the domain based share.
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wilri01Author Commented:
Arnold,

I could never get group policy to work, so the redirection is on each workstation PC on the LAN using UI Tweak.

I only have a single license for Server 2008.

I have restored this server to another machine a couple years ago without problems, but maybe the hardware was more similar. I just remembered a trick to change the disk controller to "generic" before making a backup, and the server is on a UPS, so I should turn that off first, too.

I really want to just copy this server to new hardware.  Surely there is a sysprep or something I can do to accomplish that?  I've made "streamed" versions of XP to have SP3 on the install DVD before. Maybe there is something I can do to get the correct drivers on the backup?

If I was trained on MS Server technology, I'm sure you guys are giving me good advice, but I'm not.
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JBond2010Commented:
@ Wilri01, what data exactly are you trying to restore? Is this simply user data?
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arnoldCommented:
this is a domain controller.

Try the following.
Install windows 2008 on the new hardware.

Note no changes can be made within the AD.
Backup the system state and the data on the DC system
netsh dhcp server dump/export so that you can import it back in on the new one.

Copy this data to the new windows 2008 system.
While the new windows 2008 system is off the network.
Change its name to the same as the DC restore the systemstate restore the data and see if it comes up while off the network and has all the stuff in the AD/dns.

Then unplug the Current DC from the network, connect the new one.
Create a new account on the new DC, and see whether you can use it to login into any of the workstations.

I think you may still run into problems dealing with \\server from old system and \\server from new system may cause the workstations problems as it may see this as different than the prior.
How different is the hardware from the current to the new?

A restore with non DC is often simpler with a DC, ...

GPMC the GPO only applies to the user.
You could use a computer GPO with loopback that will process the folder redirection for the individual.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb727048.aspx

The removal from UPS can be done when the new system is ready to go.



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JBond2010Commented:
@ Arnold, we should really be encouraging Wiril01 to do this the correct way. A system state restore is done in the case of a hardware failure. He should really be doing a graceful migration. As I have mention in my previous comments. It would be a-lot easier and less workload and less risk of problems occurring.
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arnoldCommented:
I agree which is what I initially said in supporting the path you laid out.

The problem the user has is that the folder redirection is used through tweak UI.  The asker has had difficulties with the GPO mechanism which is why I included the reference to the GPO.

AD + GPO allows for a simpler straight forward to centrally manage the users in the environment as well as provide for a single source where backups would take place (server).



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JBond2010Commented:
@ arnold, agreed which is what I've stated in my previous comments.
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subhashchyCommented:
JBond and Arnold, What about suggesting him to use a Third party App which will just help him restore the entire OS from old server to new hardware (No matter how dissimilar the new hardware is ).

Storagecraft BareMatalRestore utility comes with a Tool named Hardware Indipendent restore. What it does is , it patch the OS Offline with the correct drives. The steps would be as follow.

1. User has already restore the OS using windows backup on a drive ,the problem is just with the drivers.
2. Boot the new server with Storagecraft BareMatelRestore CD and hit Hardware Independent restore (HIR) from the tools menu.
3. Select the OS once asked and hit migrate.
4.It will patch all the required drivers and incase the CD does not have correct drivers , it will ask so.
5. Download the drivers on a network share or USB and then provide the path to inf file.
6. It will inject the drivers offline.
7. Once done simply reboot first in safe mode with networking enabled .Just to make sure you get thigns working and install other drivers like SMBUS or something else (not necessary but i wold recommend Safe mode (Network) first ).
8. Reboot in normal mode, that's all needs to be done.

If something needs to be done with Boot configuration, it has a great tool to patch BCD as well as simple GUI.

IF you think what you suggested (indeed I m not a AD or Domain expert)  will help get the issue fixed quickly and easily that would be much better. just an alternative.

I dont work for Storagecraft ,Just using it since 3 years and love the way it functions.


Thank You.




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arnoldCommented:
The cost and then the time that would be needed to familiarize oneself with the product and its features.
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subhashchyCommented:
agree with you..that's  why i didn't recommenced ..Just said an alternate way to get the job done..
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wilri01Author Commented:
subhashchy,

I assume the Desktop version is okay for what I need?

If yes, I've been looking for a product like this for years!

I will try the desktop version.

Thank you!
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subhashchyCommented:
yeah.It works great and support is great as well..
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subhashchyCommented:
yes, Desktop version is OK as long as do you dont want to peforom the backup task. For HIR CD;s are same for all version..
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wilri01Author Commented:
I appreciate everyone's suggestions, but I worked this out on my own.

The trick to copying the Windows system to new hardware was to remove the VIA driver for the IDE controller.  This I did by using Device Manager update driver and select the option where you select the driver, versus specifying what location to look for a driver.  And disabling the device didn't work either because, although the default generic driver was there at that time, as soon as Windows was restarted to take the backup without the VIA driver, Windows reinstalled it.

I had to reset the LAN adaptors IP address, but that was all.

To document for others the steps:

1.  Use Device Manager "update driver" option and specify the generic driver instead of selecting a location to look for a driver.

2.  Restart to make sure the generic driver is active, and take a Windows Server backup.

3.  Boot to the Windows Server 2008 DVD on the new box and select the option to repair and load the server backup, and restart Windows.

4.  Windows will automatically ask for drivers for new hardware, so just point to the driver CD that came with the new motherboard. In my case, only the LAN adaptor needed a driver.

5.  Change the IP address, gateway, etc. as setup before.

6.  Move the LAN cable from the old domain controller to the new box.

7.  Some client PCs on the LAN may need to restart or log off and back on to pick up the redirected desktop and My Documents.

And by the way, unless I find a different use, I wasted $89 on Storagecraft because WIndows did what I bought it to do.

If this were a larger LAN and I had the time to be properly trained, I know your suggestions about migrating would be a seemless way to go.  It just wasnt' the best path for my situation.
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wilri01Author Commented:
If this were a larger LAN and I had the time to be properly trained, I know your suggestions about migrating would be a seemless way to go.  It just wasn't the best path for my situation
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