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Terminal Server 2008 Licensing without Active Directory?

Can I use TS 2008 without joing it to a domain (workgroup only), and thus not have users login using a Active Directory account? It seems to work, but since TS User CAL's are only deployed to Active Directory users, I cannot create a TS User CAL usage report. So I'm concerned that users are only getting the 120 day temporary licenses?

I dont want to join my TS2008 to the domain for security purposes.
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jroozee
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Darius GhassemCommented:
You don't have to run the Terminal server in a domain environment this will not limit your licensing either as long as you set the TS server to point to the proper TS Licensing server.
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jroozeeAuthor Commented:
Thanks for the prompt reply.

The only licensing server I have setup is also on the same ts2008 server.

But by setting it up that way, how can I check the TS USER CAL usage?
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Adam BrownSr Solutions ArchitectCommented:
Terminal Services licensing does not allow User CALs when it is not in a Domain. You will only have Device CALs. So what is effectively happening is your users' Computers are being issued licenses by the Licensing server. If you don't have enough CALs to cover all the Computers that your users are connecting with, they will eventually start receiving the temporary licenses. Also note that a Permanent license is not issued until the second time a device connects to the terminal server.
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jroozeeAuthor Commented:
Hmmm.. So, the 20 user cals I just purchased are useless? AArhg :(

 I've read that the licensing isn't enforced, so will the user ever get denied login access if I don't have the right cal licenses right away? Even after the temp lic expires?

Will microsoft let me convert my user cals to device cals?

My primary concern here is, I don't want my end users to all of a sudden be denied login access. I just want to make sure im setting this all up correctly right off the bat.
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Adam BrownSr Solutions ArchitectCommented:
You'll probably want to call Microsoft on switching to device CALs. They'll probably be able to help you with that. User Licenses aren't enforced by the system, but Device CALs are.
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jroozeeAuthor Commented:
Thanks. Things make sense now. Thanks for everyones help!
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Darius GhassemCommented:
I think TS User CAL can be used in a non domain enviroment.
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Adam BrownSr Solutions ArchitectCommented:
Oops. Little research and User CALs can be used in a Workgroup. But you can't track them. More info: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc771021%28WS.10%29.aspx
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jroozeeAuthor Commented:
Phew! Thanks, I assume as long as I have ts setup to deploy per user too.
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Adam BrownSr Solutions ArchitectCommented:
Yeah, you should be okay as long as you keep your paperwork for the CALs. You don't have to install them and the system won't keep track of or enforce it.
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Darius GhassemCommented:
Ok good that what I thought I was doubting myself there it has been so long for me installing a workgroup Terminal Server.
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jroozeeAuthor Commented:
It makes sense to keep my TS's in a workgroup and not on the DC/AD for security purposes right?  I also don't like how if I do use a DC/AD, that users have to enter in a domainname when logging on - I dont want them even knowing what the DC name is, yet alone providing it in their logon.
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jroozeeAuthor Commented:
Sorry for not splitting the points evenly. This is my first post and I was not sure how that worked. I split the points now. Thanks and sorry again.
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