Boot 64 bit Vista PC from Vista 32 bit Install CD

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This if for my customer. I fix PCs for a living.

(1) Can I boot a 64 bit Vista Home Premium OS PC from a 32-bit Vista Home Premium Install CD **SOLELY** for the purpose of going to the F8 menu (i.e To do System Restore or System Recovery (from a Recovery Partition on the PC's HD, not from Media) or Startup Repair AND NOT TO REINSTALL VISTA. This can be needed when pressing F8 at PC boot does not take me to that menu because the PC has serious enough problems that F8 boot fails. Booting from the CD runs the programs (partially) from the CD and can be an alternative in some situations.

(2) If the PC has Vista Business or Ultimate 64 bit will the above still work (i.e CD is Vista Home Premium not Business or Ultimate). I ask because I am not sure the customer PC has Vista HP or Business or Ultimate (I have not been onsite yet).

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  Mike



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Yes - that should be possible as long as you are not trying to do a repair...

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roybridge,

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> Yes - that should be possible as long as you are not trying to do a repair...

But, as I mentioned, I may try Startup Repair....

Also what is the answer to Question (2)

roybridge and other EE experts

In the circumstances described in my Question, please answer the questions below indivdually.

Will Sys Restore work

Will System Recovery work  (if there is a recovery partiion on the HD)?

Will Startup Repair work ?

And what is the answer to Question (2) (install CD not same version of Vista as installed OS).

Mike
Jackie Man IT Manager
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Question 1

Will Sys Restore work <- NO

Will System Recovery work  (if there is a recovery partiion on the HD)? <- NO

Will Startup Repair work ? < - NO

32 bit Vista OS needs 32 bit Vista Recovery Disc

64 bit Vista OS needs 64 bit Vista Recovery Disc

In short, you will receive the message below when you try to do the reverse.

This version of System Recovery Options is not compatible with the version of Windows you are trying to repair. Try using a recovery disc that is compatible with this version of Windows.

Question 2

32 bit Vista Receovery Disk can fix all (Vista Ultimate / Vista Business / Vista Home Premium / Vista Basic)

64 bit Vista Receovery Disk can fix all (Vista Ultimate / Vista Business / Vista Home Premium)

There is no 64 bit Vista Basic.
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Jackie Man IT Manager
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So, the rule is 32 bit Vista OS needs 32 bit Vista Recovery Disc and 64 bit Vista OS needs 64 bit Vista Recovery Disc; and there is no difference among (Vista Ultimate / Vista Business / Vista Home Premium / Vista Basic) when it comes to the use of vista recovery disc.
Jackie Man IT Manager
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The only exception for the above is that you recovery from a backup of Complete PC Restore in an external drive (and NOT a recovery partiion on the HD).

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jackieman:,

You did NOT read my Question. I said 32 bit Vista **INSTALL** CD, not Recovery CD. THOSE ARE TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS. Please reply again accordingly if you know the answers to the questions in my reply to roybridge.

Mike

Commented:
Exactly, you need the 32 bit disc for 32 bit repair. If you can't get it to work, I know ERD commander for Vista x86 have some utilities to make a system restore and it works very well.

good luck !
Jackie Man IT Manager
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Commented:
In my routine, a vista recovery disc works the same way to launch vista recovery environment from a vista setup dvd.

32 bit setup disc for 32 bit os.

64 bit setup disc for 64 bit os.

Commented:
Just checked it in my computer..so 100% sure about this info..after you boot from windows vista 32 bit disc...you can go to command prompt and run bcd command and dos commands to restore the operating system.


If having boot issue can try rebuilding the bootconfig.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927392

So the answer to your question is you can access the command prompt to rund bcd, notepad and other command to recover data and restore the operating system from cmd.



Ded9

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Dos commands will work the rest wont work


Ded9

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Thanks for replies. However I am still confused. It appears that Startup repair will not work from replies above. But that is not my #1 reason to do this kind of thing (because Startup repair exits if the PC started Ok at last boot and hance cannot be used to fix problems that occur after a good boot).

SOOOO...will System Restore AND System Recovery (from Recovery Partition) ) work in the context of my question above. With CD being an Install CD. SOME Recovery CDs will do some of the things in the F8 menu but this is manufacturer dependent. All you can be sure of is it will reformat the HD and return PC to state it was originally in. (In some cases it will save personal files or give you an opportunity to do that). And some will offer to run diagnostics. And once one offered to run System restore BUT all that is not the main purpose of Recovery and varies from PC manufacturer to PC manufacturer.

But the Vista install CD will allow ALL the Repair-type options above (and several more) IF the CD matches the OS (32-BIT OR 64-BIT os).

Please reply for Vista Install CD and for System restore and System Recovery. NOTE; It is not called System Recovery in f8 menu but there is an option that does it.

Mike

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NO, it is called Vista Recovery Environment (and it is different from pressing F8).

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/tutorial142.html

An extract from the above link is as follows:-

"As you want to boot the computer from the Windows Vista DVD you need to press a key, any key will do, on your keyboard when you see this prompt. It is possible that the DVD that came with your computer does not allow you to boot off of it. If that is the case, then your computer manufacturer most likely installed the Windows Recovery Environment directly to a small partition on your hard drive. To access this partition, you would slowly tap the F8 key on your keyboard after the BIOS information clears from your screen until you see the Windows startup menu. From this menu use your arrow keys to select the option for the Windows Recovery Environment and press the enter key on your keyboard. You should now see a black screen with a white status bar at the bottom stating Windows is loading files.... After a while, the status bar will turn completely white and you will see a screen stating that Windows is loading. The Windows Setup environment will continue to load and when finished you will be presented with a screen similar to Figure 2 that prompts you for information about your location and language

At this screen you should configure the Language to install, Time and currency format, and Keyboard or input method options so that they are set correctly. When done, press the Next button. You will now be at the main Windows Vista setup screen where you would normally install Vista on to a computer.

As we want to repair the computer, you should click on the Repair your computer option. This will bring you to a new screen where the repair process will look for all Windows Vista installations on your computer. When done you will be presented with the System Recovery Options dialog box as shown in Figure 4 below.

Select the Vista installation you would like to repair and if there are drivers you need to load in order for Vista to access any of your drives or other components , then you should click on the Load Drivers button to load them. When ready, press the Next button to continue. If the repair process does not detect any problems starting Vista, it will display a list of available recovery tools. If it does detect a problem it will attempt to perform a Startup Repair to automatically fix these problems. If you would like to allow this process to continue, then you can read more about it here. Otherwise click on the Cancel button and select the View advanced options for system recovery and support option to see the list of recovery tools."

If you got a 64 bit Vista Setup DVD but the OS of the computer is 32 bit, instead of seeing a 32 bit Vista OS installation, you will see the message below.

"This version of System Recovery Options is not compatible with the version of Windows you are trying to repair. Try using a recovery disc that is compatible with this version of Windows. "

and you just get an empty list of Vista installation to be repaired. You can still select Next to continue, but your only  options for system recovery is Command Prompt and Windows Complete PC Restore.

What ded9 mentioned is Command Prompt and for Windows Complete PC Restore, you cannot select any file from the Recovery Partition. In order for Windows Complete PC Restore to be successful, the user must have manually do a Windows Complete PC Backup to an external drive or network drive. You cannot restore via Windows Complete PC Backup from the Recovery Partition.

So, my revised answer for your Question 1 using Vista Setup DVD of 64 bit to recovery a 32 bit Vista OS (and vice versa(

Will Sys Restore work <- NO

Will System Recovery work  (if there is a recovery partiion on the HD)? <- NO

Will Startup Repair work ? < - NO

Will Command Prompt work? YES, but you need to know what you are doing before you do anything

Will Windows Complete PC Restore work? <- YES, provdied that you have made a backup before your OS crashed.

If the Vista Setup DVD matches the OS (32 bit Setup DVD for 32 bit OS / 64 bit Setup DVD for 64 bit OS), the answer for your Question 1 are as follows:-

Will Sys Restore work <- YES

Will System Recovery work  (if there is a recovery partiion on the HD)? <- YES

Will Startup Repair work ? < - YES

Will Command Prompt work? YES, but you need to know what you are doing before you do anything

Will Windows Complete PC Restore work? <- YES, provdied that you have made a backup before your OS crashed.

Commented:
Okay the f8 option that your taking about is called repair my computer....You get Repair my computer option when u tap F8...if u have that option then u do not require any dvd ..you can do system restore as well as full system recovery from there.

First would recommend system restore.

Post all the options that u see after tapping F8 key without inserting the win7 dvd in th drive...can also post the screenshot from your cellphone if possible.\


Ded9

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i am sorry its not Win7 i mean vista....post recovery options that you see.


Ded9

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Commented:
jackieman:

If Complete PC Restore works in the 32 bit Install CD and 64 bit Vista OS case, then why would Systerm Recovery not work too as basically what is in the Recovery Media is the same (or same structure) as a in the backup media? I mean the backup media AND the Recovery Partition include a Program that does the recovery. Once that program starts what is on the 32 bit CD is not used.

Mike
Jackie Man IT Manager
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As I mentioned before, there will be no vista installation detected if you use a 32bit install DVD to repair a 64 bit OS (and vice versa), system restore is not allowed as the system does not know where to restore back the system files. System restore is a pre-designed GUI, and you cannot manually tell the system where to place back the system files as it is not a dos command (you just cannot launch system restore if no vista installation is detected and there is no workaround). For windows complete pc back, it is just like a ghost based image recovery program if you can locate a valid image backup (not a factory.wim inside a hidden recovery partition), no matter you use a 32 bit or 64 bit install DVD, the system will just try to recovery the windows complete pc backup file (in vhd format) to the first active primary HDD, not partition) and the process can continue.

I am not the one who write the OS and we cannot change what we can do and what we cannot and it is your question which leads MD to read a few pages of ms documentation for windows complete pc backup and restore. With my prior knowledge and understanding of how vista works, I can give you a firm answer for your question.
Jackie Man IT Manager
Top Expert 2010

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If you want to recovery from the factory.wim file in recovery partition, Assuming that the Windows Vista factory image is located in the folder d:\dell\image\ , try the following:-

You need to start the computer with a WinPE CD (which has imagex tools) and run the following command in command prompt.

imagex /apply d:\dell\image\factory.wim 1 c:\

Then, use Bcdedit,exe commands below to configure the boot store.

Bcdedit /set {bootmgr} device partition=c:

Bcdedit /set {default} device partition=c:

Bcdedit /set {default} osdevice partition=c:

Finally, type exit at command prompt to restart computer and your computer will be brought back to the factory condition.

Source: http://www.experts-exchange.com/OS/Microsoft_Operating_Systems/Windows/Windows_Vista/Q_26702221.html?sfQueryTermInfo=1+10+30+factory.wim+jackieman

For vista, win pe 2.0 is required and for win 7, win pe 3.0 is required.

Win pe stands for windows reinstallation environment which are used for deployment but it can also be used for recovery if the deployment wim file is for exactly the same model and brand of the computer.

Do not ask me where to download win pe cd as EE rules prohibits that. You need to create your own win pe cd from waik. If you want to ask about win pe, close this question and ask a new question.
Jackie Man IT Manager
Top Expert 2010

Commented:
A typo for the above, it should read:

Win pe stands for windows preinstallation environment which are used for deployment but it can also be used for recovery if the deployment wim file is for exactly the same model and brand of the computer.

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