adding SPF to SendID

Victor Kimura
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Hi,

I read that to add the SPF record to Microsoft's SendID program I would go here:
https://support.msn.com/eform.aspx?productKey=senderid&page=support_senderid_options_form_byemail&ct=eformts&scrx=1&st=1&wfxredirect=1

If my SPF record is this (I have to verifiy my SPF record is correct still):
"v=spf1 a mx ptr mx:smtp.com mx:ultratrust.com ip4:69.89.18.77 include:bluehost.com include:emailmarketingservices.com ~all"

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Then in the section:
* Domain name(s) to be added to the SenderID program. Please use a new line for each domain.
Do I add all the domains from my SPF record such as bluehost.com, emailmarketingservicesco.com, smpt.com?

Thank you,
Victor
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Linux Systems Admin
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what domain is this for?

if it is for ultratrust.com, then you don't need both mx and mx:ultratrust, because they mean the same thing.

also, remove PTR unless you need it.

also emailmarketingservices.com spf states that it DOES NOT send email.  Why are you including this?

;; ANSWER SECTION:
emailmarketingservices.com. 86400 IN    TXT     "v=spf1 -all"

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David BeveridgeLinux Systems Admin
Commented:
please note also that SPF and SenderID ARE NOT the same thing.
see
http://www.openspf.org/SPF_vs_Sender_ID
Victor KimuraSEO, Web Developer

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Commented:
Hi bevhost,

1) emailmarketingservicesco.com is the site that is hosting the email program. It won't be doing the actual sending so I suppose I should omit it then. Is this correct?

2) Does the above SPF state that emailmarketingservicesco.com will NOT send email? Doesn't this part in the SPF record state that this site WILL send email?
include:emailmarketingservices.co

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3) I was reading somewhere. I forgot the page that since SenderID is more for hotmail and live.com (Microsoft) then we should verifiy the SMTP servers for the site (ultratrust.com). It's on Google site to validate the SMTP using the SPF record. I was told to go here but I want to ensure that I'm doing everything correctly.
http://old.openspf.org/wizard.html?mydomain=ultratrust.com

4) Should I be validating with SendID? If so, then could you show me what I need to enter for this page:
https://support.msn.com/eform.aspx?productKey=senderid&page=support_senderid_options_form_byemail&ct=eformts&scrx=1&st=1&wfxredirect=1

ultratrust.com will be sending out email from mail.ultratrust.com and I believe one of the email servers from bluehost.com (which I think is 18-77.bluehost.com). These email servers are for sending out regular email. As for bulk emails, I'm thinking of using http://smtp.com. The site emailmarketingservices.com is the site that is hosting the email program only so I suppose I won't be including it in the SPF record or the SendID for Microsoft.

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David BeveridgeLinux Systems Admin
Commented:
I think that the "all" keyword is ignored in include statements, but leave it out anyway as it doesn't make any sense.
Victor KimuraSEO, Web Developer

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Commented:
Hi bevhost,

1) emailmarketingservicesco.com is the site that is hosting the email program. It won't be doing the actual sending so I suppose I should omit it then. Is this correct?

2) Does the above SPF state that emailmarketingservicesco.com will NOT send email? Doesn't this part in the SPF record state that this site WILL send email?

4) Should I be validating with SendID? If so, then could you show me what I need to enter for this page:
https://support.msn.com/eform.aspx?productKey=senderid&page=support_senderid_options_form_byemail&ct=eformts&scrx=1&st=1&wfxredirect=1

fyi:
ultratrust.com will be sending out email from mail.ultratrust.com and I believe one of the email servers from bluehost.com (which I think is 18-77.bluehost.com). These email servers are for sending out regular email. As for bulk emails, I'm thinking of using http://smtp.com. The site emailmarketingservices.com is the site that is hosting the email program only so I suppose I won't be including it in the SPF record or the SendID for Microsoft.

I know you answered another similar post of mine but I just wanted clarification on these points. I'm still learning about the DNS settings and DKIM and all these issues. Thanks so much for your help.

Victor
David BeveridgeLinux Systems Admin
Commented:
1) yes
2) -all means everything should be rejected. if nothing preceeds it, then the domain does not send mail.
4) I am and SPF expert not SenderID

In short publish a record that ends in ~all then test everything.  This kind of record will only give a positive result or a dunno.
if you are confident the settings are perfect then change it to -all at the end then your response will be positive or negative.
Victor KimuraSEO, Web Developer

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Commented:
Hi bevhost,

Thanks for all the info. It's really helpful. I'm still learning the SPF stuff. Once I test the record with ~all then how do I test the SFP to see a "positive result or dunno"?

Once I change the settings to -all then how do I test with the "positive or negative"?

Thanks for all your help =)
Victor
David BeveridgeLinux Systems Admin
Commented:
I have a web page that lets you do some testing

http://tools.bevhost.com/spf
Victor KimuraSEO, Web Developer

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Commented:
Thanks for all your help. =)

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