Problems to Put Windows 7 in Windows Server Small Business STD2011 Domain

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I have problems to  Put Windows 7 in Windows Server Small Business  STD2011.
In Attach i send the error. When i try to put one machine with windows xp in Windows server 2011 domain accept without any problem.

Why appear this error when i try to put windows 7 machines? I try to put 2 different machines with windows 7.

Server IP: 192.168.0.146

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This is common when SBS 2008/2011 was set up incorrectly. Specifically, a common mistake is to keep DHCP on another device against SBS documentation, or adding ISP DNS servers to the SBS DHCP service.

For a domain to be successful, the following should exist:

1) the client machine should be configured for DHCP. while you CAN manually configure the NIC, generally the complexities cause more problems than they solve.

2) the DHCP server should be on the SBS server and the defaults the wizards set up should be unchanged.

3) the domain join wizard should be used. Again, while a manual join can be done, the wizard helps avoid common mistakes.

The reason XP joins succeed is XPs increased reliance on NetBIOS. As MS has moved away from NetBIOS and towards DNS (and IPv6), having a proper infrastructure becomes more important. Vista and win7 are definitely more susceptible to a misconfigured network, with the trade-off of greater stability, compatibility, and standards compliance when the other pieces are configured right.

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-Cliff

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Hello Cliff

In this network i have one Firewall that makes DHCP.  In SBS 2008/2011 i need to make DHCP in  server?  I cannot contining usuing my firewall to make DHCP?  You can send this SBS documentation to read?

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William
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The SBS wizards are built around several assumptions, one of which is that SBS handles DHCP. by trying to keep it elsewhere, you are actually increasing complexity.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg637864.aspx

Note bullet point 2. one of the SBS wizards, the connect to Internet wizard, actually expects you to move DHCP. either this wizard was skipped during setup, or an unsupported workaround was used to temporarily bypass the wizard.

-Cliff
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What is your domain? Try entering "infolife.local".

Otherwise, changing DHCP should NOT be necessary. Click start and enter "ncpa.cpl". Right-click your adapter and click Properties. Then go to Internet Protocol v4 and click Properties. Click "Enter DNS manually" and enter your SBS server's IP address in the primary DNS server field. Click OK a few times and try and join your domain again.
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While manually setting the dns server will work, this would need to ge done for EVERY PC, even the XP machines. Increasingly services that rely on AD will not work with NetBIOS so applications such as outlook will have issues. And while manually setting DNS sidesteps those issues, it increases management and defeats much of the reason to even use DHCP. after all, if you are setting the dns setting, why jot assign a static IP address as well.

There are many benefits to using SBS as intended. While there are workarounds, unexpected behavior can result and tend to prove more costly down the road. Moving DHCP is trivial and there is usually no compelling reason to keep it on a firewall/router.

-Cliff
Adding to the responses so far:  the usual reason folks want to have DHCP on the firewall/router is to be able to access the internet if the SBS is off line.  This happens so rarely in a well maintained SBS network that it is not worth all the other work arounds and hoops to jump through.  

If the SBS is offline, and will be off line for longer than whatever your acceptable window of time may be, it is trivial to move DHCP back to the firewall/router for the duration, then move it back to the SBS when you have restored functionality.

DHCP, as well as DNS belongs on the SBS.  However, there is this:

http://sbs.seandaniel.com/2008/10/do-i-absolutely-have-to-run-dhcp-on-sbs.html

Take the above with a grain of salt as related to SBS 2011.  While there are similarities, 2011 is built on Server 2008 R2, which, as cgaliher points out, is even less dependent on netbios than earlier editions.

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Hello Cliff, Harry and Flyfishing

Attached i sent my network diagram. I have 2 internet connections configurated in failover. See what firewall are doing. When i using windows server 2003 everyting are working correctly.

I need to solve this problem. More ideas are welcome  :)

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William  Network-Diagram.pdf
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Your network diagram does not change my advice. Windows 2003, like XP, is based on older technologies that are being phased out. Simply moving DHCP to the SBS server as it is designed to be used will resolve your issue and will not conflict with your network topology.

-Cliff

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Hello Cliff

I Try to move DHCP to SBS server 2011 and problem/error to put in domain continuing. I have acess to internet, but i can not put in domain.

Do you have other sugestion?

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As I have previously posted SBS Should be the ONLY DNS server. The snapshot you posted shows that the gateway is also acting as one, and your gateway cannot resolve AD queries.

Secondly, use the SBS wizard to join to the domain. Don't join manually.

-Cliff

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Hello Cliff

Now works, Thanks a lot :)

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