WINDOWS 2008 32BIT STANDAR VERSION - WINDOWS UPDATE ISSUES

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Hi, About a week ago I successfully installed Win 2008 32bit on my Dell P4 which was originally running XP and I also without using windows update as not connected to the internet was able to create a single domain on this same Dell P4!!

Then later on I got the 'blue screen' but rather than reboot and try to continue, just so I could learn as much as I could about Win 2008 32bit version, I decided to re-install and start again.

I did yesturday re-install successfully again Win 2008 32bit version and then installed the following drivers:

- Intel Chipset drivers - Decided not to install this although dont know why I did this!!
qns1. - Audio drivers - Did not install this, but saw that Win 2008 detected this and requested an install, so I installed it during the 'Windows update' and the Audio drivers installed successfully but NOT SURE if I should have waited until the completion of all 'Windows update' to see if everythings resolves itself as I've been informed by another expert that I may or may not need to install my drivers as Win 2008 may detect and install all the relevant drivers?
- VGA drivers - Installed successfully - prior to starting 'Windows Update'
- Nic drivers - Eventually installed successfully as had some issue in the correct way of selecting 'Network Adapters' in Win 2008 so that I could actually install the drivers.

qns2. On looking in the Device manager I see 2 x 'Ethernet Controller' in the list under 'Other' but Im assuming these are related to the 2 x nic cards I have in my Dell P4 pc, because after successfully installing my Nic drivers, then one of the 'Ethernet Controller' in the list dissappears.  I now get prompted intermitantly to find drivers for the other 'Ethernet Controller' and on searching the internet my Dell P4 does not find anything, so Im not sure if this will affect anything Im doing at this moment in time?

As my server detected 79 updates I installed them all at one and part way through received errors or it appeared to hang or it looked like it but it may not have so I rebooted and eventually the 'Windows Updates' continued as some had also successfully installed after checking.

While my Dell P4 was continuing with the 'Windows Updates' I received a message stating that my PC had detected 21 issues and it mentioned that I could start to resolve these, but what I decided to do was close this window temporarily and continue with the 'Windows Updates'.

During the 'updates' being installed I also starting to receive window errors stating that 'different services had stopped' and so I clicked on cancel for the time being and also started to receive 'Windows Explorer stopped' also which closed my windows and I had to then re-open my 'Windows update' screen so that I could whatch from there the updates and also re-start this and this happened numerous times.

I also started to receive messages intermittantly about 'memory' although I do have 2gb of ram in place already!!  I read somewhere that removing the 'tick' from virtual memory regarding 'paging' may resolve issue but Im not sure as still have problems!!

After eventually logging onto my pc I checked and saw that 77 updates out of 79, had installed but now intermitantly my pc keeps prompting a window and when I close this window my pc keeps rebooting!!

qns3. Currently Im deleting/partioning/formatting and doing another clean install, but does anyone have any suggestions as all I wish to do is get the pc setup so that I can do at least some of the following as I have prior to the 'Windows updates done most of this already on this same pc!!:

- Add server to domain on single server as Im installing the 'Full version' and not 'Core Server'
- Add dns
- Add dhcp
- Create a user account and add and 2nd Win 7 pc to domain
- Connect printer
- Gp policy
- Run Gp Policy
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What's the exact model of your Dell?
2GB of RAM for a Win2008 server is a small amount of RAM...
If DELL does not provide you with adequate Win2008 drivers ... then it's not supported and I am very unsure that suits your needs.
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Windows 2008 uses same drivers as Vista 32bit.

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Download the latest service pack for Win2008
Do a fresh install and immediately install the service pack
Then update all the dell drivers
I recommend installing the drivers in this order, then the service pack.

Even though the Desktop System Software's "not required" for vista, I would install it anyway in this case.

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My Win 2008 32 bit standard version has already SP2 installed!!  It was when I started to download all the updates I appeared to have problems!!

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My Win 2008 32bit version has SP2 integrated!!
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If you install updates on a fresh computer without vendor drivers, the missing HW drivers will be added.
In most situations you really do not need any extra drivers from manufacturer.

Motherboard drivers usually add identification of components more recent than last release of OS (not the case with P4)
To re-detect missing drivers you can always "scan for hardware changes" on a root item of device manager.
If you find Device ID of your non-working netcard i will help finding proper driver link.

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Ive just successfully installed Win 2008 32 bit and have not installed any drivers on as decided not too!  As on accessing HW drivers yes they appear to be added during 'windows updates', although the only HW driver that was asked by 'Win 2008' to install driver was my sound card although I do not need this.  But after continuing to install all 78 odd updates my pc prompted various services 'stopping' due to errors and reboot continuous of machine.  So I will not install any drivers at all!!

Except maybe will install the 'Intel Chipset' driver ?

I have downloaded some other 'PATCH' from Dell.com/drivers site and saved to usb but on reading it mentioned about the D:, but as yet I have not installed this at all.

The only HW components that are detected are 2 x Ethernet Controllers, but when I click to detect via internet it NEVER does find anything?

The NIC Adapter never shows in Device Manager and then with some fidling and I think removable of one of the 'Ethernet Controllers', it allows me to detect in Win 2008 the Network Adapter card and then I can install drivers, but I normally also install the drivers I have - So maybe I should not install and stick with detection recommended?

There is a 2nd Ethernet Controller - which I believe is for my 2nd NIC port which I never use at this moment in time which keeps getting detected but as usual the Internet can never find anything and I am not sure what the name of this port is called in the Win 2008 list just to stop hardware detection?

All other automatic drivers after install appear all to be ok!!
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Please find device ID of your ethernet adapters in their properties.
You will need only that driver on USB stick after installation to get to updates.
Can you disable sound card in BIOS?

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Ive just selected ethernet Controller and I can click to select 'Intel' from list for Network Adapters - but it does state 'installing this device driver is not recommended because windows cannot verifty that it is compatable with your hardware etc etc may cause problems later!!

I have ignored this message and installed anyway, which allows me to then install in device manager - Netowrk adapter and only then am I able to install my NIC drivers from my cd and then see it appear in the device manager as installed and successfully completed.  Why this is like this I am not sure although I will continue with this unless you have any comments?

Yes I was thinking of disabling 'Sound card' this time as not needed!
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Could you PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE extract device ID from non-working network device's properties do that we can agree on driver you need to load using USB key (twice for two adapters, 4 times for 4 adapters)


Since sound card plays no role in system  (just like TPM module) they can safely disappear.
You might want to enable virtualization in BIOS if you want to jump on that train without rebooting your system again.

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Yes I will remove non-working devices not being used from device manager if that's what you mean which is just:

Ethernet controller - On removing this it always returns back by default
Ethernet controller - On removing this it always returns back by default
Multi Audio ect - Never disabled but will this time

My Dell P4 does not appear to have any advanced functionality in this BIOS just a bog standard layout!

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Having problems getting the method right to install my NIC drivers on my cd not usb.  Will let you know once done!
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Device properties contain Device ID field. There is no need to remove them. You just tell device ID and i will figure out correct netcard name and driver. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.
Yes, without drivers they all work like you describe. We just need the right network driver (nvidia or intel or broadcom are common with dell) to make it work with subsequent updates.

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Hi gheist - I am reading your comments!!!! I've started to re-install from scratch already because for some reason a nic driver I installed from the Win 2008 default list appears to have got stuck in 'add/remove programs' and will NOT let me remove it!!!! I always have problems installing nic drivers and this time they dont appear in 'add/remove programs' which I think is because I have not installed the 'Intel Chipset'.  I've already realised that not installing the drivers in a particular order appears to allow drivers to install correctly but never appear in 'add/remove programs' or some other issue pops up!!

I dont know why but when I install Win 2008 32 bit a 2nd time round it prompts for the 'product key' even though I am using an evaluation full version copy, but it does state that I do not need to add this and just click to continue, but this for some reason does not work as button is dimmed.  So as a result of this I have to delete/repartition/format again to clear hdd and then install Win 2008 again, which is what Im currently doing now...........

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By the way I did not see the words 'Device ID field'  I will look again after re-install!!  I was able to disable the following:

Ethernet controller - enabled
Ethernet controller - Disabled
Multi Audio            - Disabled

I thinks I have a nvidia  card in place I will check on completion of re-install of Win 2008 32 bit.

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Messed up!!!:((

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Ive been trying to install this Win 2008 32 bit for 2 solid weeks!!!  I should have just installed the drivers and left it at that as I was able to create a domain server to this point!! As this is just for testing/learning curve so as long as I can do the basics without the updates I will ignore all updates after the last time I tried to install all 78 updates the problems I had!!!:((
If there's no driver, it often won't tell you the Device ID on the Details tab.

But, you can run msinfo32, expand Components, then click on Problem Devices...  you can get the Device ID there.

The first thing I asked was what exact model of Dell it was... with that info we could have looked up what network controller it came with on Dell's support site. Since the poster isn't willing to divulge that information, I'm clicking the Stop Monitoring button. Good luck.

Oh, and my point about installing the drivers prior to applying any service packs was, it should be the first thing you do after installing the OS (no matter what service packs are included on the installation disc).

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I was not at the pc the other day but am today!  Its a Dell PC 8300 type is all I know right now until completion of install.  I normally can log onto: www.dell.com/drivers and I input my 'Tag no' of my pc and see a list of various drivers and have tried this method of installing drivers already!!

As my Win 2008 32 has integrated SP2 I do not know how to reinstall SP2 as SP2 has not been prompted on the updates the other day as already ON OS!

thanks for your help anyway!
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Lets get very accurate.
Is your computer Dimension 8300 or XPS 8300?

What is the PCI device ID either from device properties or from msinfo of problem network cards? Without it i can suggest you hundreds of network card drivers 99 of which will not work for you.

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Ive just completed installing Win 2008 32bit which is integrated with SP2.

Dimention 8300 Series - This is all it says on bootup
Dell PC
Processor - Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80Ghz 2.79 Ghz
Memory   -  2GB
Sys type  -  32 bit OS

No drivers are installed at this time!
No Network Adapter has been detected at all in Device Manager:

What I would now normally do is install in this order:

- Audio
- Intel Chipset
- Nic drivers - This driver is never straight forward.

Without this Win 2008 32bit does not allow me to join internet!!

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My network cable is currently not plugged in either!

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Going to now plug in network cable now and install those drivers:

- Audio
- Intel Chipset

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Then install 'nic' drivers
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You do not need to install audio or chipset driver.

1) UPDATE BIOS and disable audio in BIOS for good.
2) IF YOU WANT install intel chipset driver

3)install Matrix Storage manager (intel disk driver) because this is most likely to make a big blue screen.

4) Install network driver from here http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&ProdId=3299&DwnldID=18719&ProductFamily=Ethernet+Components&ProductLine=Ethernet+Controllers&ProductProduct=Intel%C2%AE+82579+Gigabit+Ethernet+Controller&DownloadType=Drivers&lang=eng

Audio connects to PCI BUS, thus chipset drivers need to be first.

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Ive already updated my bios last week from A05 to A07!

So far I have only installed successfully:

Audio - Successfully installed and showing in add/remove programs

- I will remove or just disable this if you wish?

Intel Chipset - Already installed successfully, but by default this does NOT show in 'add/remove programs'

What do you mean ref: Install Matrix Storage Manager - make a big blue screen?
I wont install my nic drivers, I will use the 'url' you have sent then!!

One more question, why doesn't Win 2008 detect Network Adaptors in Device Manager, as normally it just detects under the category 'Others' - Ethernet controller and once I normally install the nic drivers only 1 Ethernet controller shows instead of 2 Ethernet controllers!  Why?

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Hi Ive done what you said and Im now on the internet:

- Audio - I just disabled
- Intel chipset - already installed so I left it
- PROWin32.exe - Installed successfully

:))
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Normally you do not need anything in add/remove programs to have driver working.

Seems OK. You need PROWin32 to make your network cards work (you can actually find drivers under c:\intel\ if you make a slipstream install).

You may succeed in improving disk workings a bit with Matrix Storage Manager
http://downloadcenter.intel.com/SearchResult.aspx?lang=eng&ProductFamily=Chipsets&ProductLine=Chipset+Software&ProductProduct=Intel%C2%AE+Rapid+Storage+Technology&ProdId=2101&LineId=1090&FamilyId=40

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OK!!

One thing Ive noticed that vlans & teaming for instance are in the option of the nic properties and wondered why I have them there as when I used Win 2003 I never installed them as just connected to a cisco 2950 and and 2600 router for example then all vlans are created on the switch but if created on a 'router on a stick' then vlans are first created there

So I can only assume this particular software may well be used primarily/prefferred method for a small/medium sized business ie SBS 2003/2008 upto 75 users!!

Is this so?

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Ive since re-installed my 'eval' copy of Win 2008 32bit already integrated with SP2 and then 'disabled' the 'Sound card' as not really needed.  During install the first time it did not prompt the enter 'Product Key' and allowed me to continue with install.  For some reason now it prompts to enter the 'Product key' which I do not have, but it does state in the window that I do not have to enter the 'Product key' and can continue, but this is not the case as I just keep entering random numbers in the 'Product Key' and leaving 'Authorization' ticked when online and aventually the 'Next' button allows the entry and then allows me to continue with complete install.

I have though noticed on clicking; Start, right clicking 'My computer' and properties it displays at the bottom of the window the 'Product Key' which was obviously integrated within my 'eval copy' hence did not know what it was and that I probably could have entered during installation then I may not have had that 'Product Key' issue.

I already upgraded my bios from A05 to A07 via: www.dell.com/drivers and entered my pc 'tag no', which showed me all drivers for my band of pc.

Ive installed in this order with no problems again:

- Dell VGA drivers
- Dell Intel Chipset drivers

Although I get a few intermitant 'Windows Explorer' issues or 'Services', this has not stopped me from using Win 2008 for my learning curve, so all good!! Now I know what Im doing when it comes to Dell PC's etc!!

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"dell" branded drivers are simply older version packaged for dell management tools....
 would suggest getting normal Intel made drivers in their place (if devices really do not work)

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