What's the best way of adding a Second Server

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Hi, I have an SBS 2003 Box. I am trying to add a second server for a CRM/Database. I want to know what would be the best option for me:
* Do I buy Windows Server 2011 and do I need to by CAL's for the second server?
* Or do I buy SBS 2011, again do I need CAL's for it?

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Top Expert 2012

Commented:
If you want a second server then you would purchase Windows 2008 Server R2 to add as an additional server for the CRM\DB since you want to keep the services separated.

For CAL licensing questions you should contact a MS authorized dealer to make sure you will be properly licensed since EE is not an authorize licenser of these products any of the information about licensing doesn't help you in case of an audit.

I have attached licensing booklet from MS.

From my experience you would need to purchase CALS for any connections to this server.

Win-Server-Lic-Book-customer-hi-.pdf
You cannot have more than one SBS server on a network.

From:http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/5/C/45CD1DC6-9204-44DD-999B-24B50A9144B6/SBS%202011_Licensing_FAQ.pdf

Q. I want to have additional servers running Windows Server 2008 or Windows Server 2008 R2 in my SBS 2011 Standard domain. Do I need additional CALs to access those servers?
A. No. As long as those servers are within the Windows Small Business Server 2011 Standard domain, your Windows Small Business Server 2011 CAL Suites grant you access rights to the other Windows Servers. Note however, the use of some functionality in Windows Server require additional licenses (e.g., Remote Desktop Services/Rights Management Services).
Krzysztof PytkoSenior Active Directory Engineer
Top Expert 2012

Commented:
Additional consideration should be about CRM app/Database running configuration. You need to check if it support natively more servers installation (instances?). If not, you would consider NLB or cluster option (for sure for SQL). For cluster you need Enterprise edition of 2008 R2.

For CALs I agree with Darius that you need to contact authorized dealer.

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Krzysztof
Krzysztof PytkoSenior Active Directory Engineer
Top Expert 2012

Commented:
@lludden: yes you can. But all of FSMO roles have to be stored on SBS server. There is no problem with additional DCs for redundancy.

Krzysztof
Top Expert 2011
Commented:
To start  with there is no windows server 2011, this would be windows server 2008 R2. If you want the CRM on a separated server what is the best choice for such a product, you should go for this option.

If you want to go for SBS 2011 you need to do a migration becuase you may and cannot have 2 SBS server in your network. Beside that you also should add an additional server for the CRM application because this is not recommended (maybe even not supported) to install on the SBS server.

About licensing it is like dariusg said contact microsoft to be sure. But it will be in both cases you need to buy CAL's, if you hav SBS 2011 the SBS Cal will full fill the client access licensense to additional windows 2008 (R2) servers.

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Guys, I am getting a bit confused here. I phoned a Microsoft Licensing reseller, and they told me I would need Windows Server 2008 and would need to buy the CALS. I often find a lot of the sales people at these companies do not know.

I repeat, I have SBS 2003, with the 2003 version, can I add a server box running Windows Server 2008 without needing to buy CAL's.
Top Expert 2013
Commented:
No problem at all adding a second server to the 3002 SBS domain. With server 2008 or newer you have to add manually rather than using the http:/SBSname/computer wizard, and then move the server to the MyBusness\Computers\SBSservers OU in active directory.

Normally the SBS CAL's cover the second server but if it is a newer O/S you will need CAL's that correspond to that server, but just enough for the users that make connections to that server. The users still need an SBS CAL as well. If you install SQL, you will need SQL CAL's on top of that.

If you need more SBS CAL's you can by SBS 2011 CAL's through volume licensing and exercise downgrade rights to install on SBS 2003, which would also cover the new server.

Top Expert 2012
Commented:
You can install Windows 2008 Server as your second server.

Yes, you need to purchase Windows 2008 Server CALs.
Distinguished Expert 2018
Commented:
Don't be confused, and the reason previous posters told you to contact Microsoft Licensing is because *they* are the final authority. Which means if you see conflicting information here, don't trust it. Trust MS.  But to summarize (and this does not conflict with what MS told you)

As a second server, I would recommend Windows Server 2008 R2. It will join an SBS 2003 domain just fine.

For CALs, you will need to purchase them. The SBS CALs *only* cover other 2003 or downlevel OS's (2000, NT4) and do NOT cover newer OS's (2008, 2008 R2) therefore by adding a newer version, you need newer server CALs to stay legal.

Just as MS told you. See? No confusion. No conflict. And get that from MS in writing to cover yourself.

-Cliff

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Thanks all.

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