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Can I administer HP Array from a VM through VMWare hypervisor

I am running VMware ESXi 4.1 with VSphere client (free) on a HP DL360 G7 with Smart array P410 controller.

Is there a way to administer the arrays from within a VM ?

If a disk fails in my RAID 1 at the moment I dont see how I could replace it without rebooting the host and booting the smart start CD.

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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert PRO / EE Fellow/British Beekeeper)

8/22/2022 - Mon
pjam

Good question, I will be monitoring to see what you find out.  Thanks for asking this, I had planned to ask myself as I have a DL380 G6 running Esxi 4.1 and three W2k8 servers.
Thankfully my server is only 6 months old, but I have had drives fail after a year.

Theoretically if the LED turns amber or red, we just need to swap in a new drive and it should rebuild RAID5 without our intervention.
Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert PRO / EE Fellow/British Beekeeper)

Unfortunately, you cannot access or use the Smart Array Configuration Utilities (ACU) from within the VMware Hypervisor (ESXi).

You can assess the health of the array if you are using the HP OEM version of VMware Hypervisor ESXi 4.1 or if you've have uploaded the CIM providers and enabled them, you can check the Health of the Array in Health Status or Hardware Tab, but for generally managing the array, you need to boot from the Smartstart CDROM and from the Array Configuration Utilities (ACU).

which means a reboot of the server, and downtime.
Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert PRO / EE Fellow/British Beekeeper)

and use the Array Configuration Utilities (ACU) from the CDROM.
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert PRO / EE Fellow/British Beekeeper)

@pjam: this is correct, but maybe you want to be a little bit more proactive and have the server email you when you have a fault!

Checkout SNMP or HP Systems Insight Manager (a different question needs to be raised).
Irwin W.

You can install HP WEBES on a virtualized Windows server. With WEBES, as long as your hardware is in warranty, WEBES will automatically long an SR. With HP, send you a notice and have the part at your door steps based on your warranty replacement window.

HP also has SNMP drivers for VMWare for monitoring that you can install.
pjam

Hancoccka,
Clarification please,
This can be done from an ESXI 4.1 server?
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert PRO / EE Fellow/British Beekeeper)

What do you need clarifying?
Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert PRO / EE Fellow/British Beekeeper)

Lets look at your question again

"I am running VMware ESXi 4.1 with VSphere client (free) on a HP DL360 G7 with Smart array P410 controller."

Q. Is there a way to administer the arrays from within a VM ?

A. NO.

Q. If a disk fails in my RAID 1 at the moment I dont see how I could replace it without rebooting the host and booting the smart start CD.


A. HP Smart Array controllers support auto-rebuild on the detection of a new hard drive into the server. So there is no need to reboot, boot from cdrom, of do anything other than remove the old failed disk, and re-insert a new working disk into the chassis, as soon as this is done, the raid will start repairing, and bringing the disk online.

pjam

Sorry,
i was referring to the email notification from an ESXi server of failing hard drives in a raid 5 array.  I can see it from a physical HP server and will investigate.  but wasn't clear if you meant we could get alerts from an ESXi server or not.
Nappy d,
You mentioned snmp drivers form HP for vmware, which I will also investigate.
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Irwin W.

Here is one of may articles on how to do this http://xtravirt.com/installing-and-configuring-hp-snmp-agents-esx-40
Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert PRO / EE Fellow/British Beekeeper)

You configure SNMP to send alerts, or use a monitoring program Nagios or HP Systems Insight Manager, or Configure Alarms on vCenter to send alerts of a hardware issue.

Also it depends if you also are using the HP OEM version of ESXi 4.1?

are you using the HP OEM version?

can you see disks in health status or hardware status?
Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert PRO / EE Fellow/British Beekeeper)

Nappy_d article is only for ESX  and not ESXi which has no service console, so you cannot install HP Insight Agents, the HP OEM ESXi version has the agents already included.
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pjam

Nappy,
This si a DL 380 G6 server and apparently they don't have it yet.  See jpeg ESXi 4.1 Mgmt Agent
Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert PRO / EE Fellow/British Beekeeper)

Sorry, got confused touch-base, because pjam, seems to have hijacked your question!!!
pjam

I apologize.  Hopefully everything discussed will be beneficial to touch-base.
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert PRO / EE Fellow/British Beekeeper)

pjam, I think it would be wise for you to ask your own personal question.
Irwin W.

Looks like a hijack...

As to the original question, You would have to use the CLI for VMWare
Trevor Helps

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Wow.  Just got back to the office to see a record 17 comments on my question!

Hanccocka thanks as ever for your input.
Pjam - I hope the question has been of use to you.

Hanccocka - I have the OEM HP embedded esxi installed and I can see the health status in Vsphere.
and I did see a warning following a recent drive failure.

2 questions from here:
Can ESXi email me when a health status warning appears?

following on from your comments on auto rebuild - this is what i needed to know.
Will the array accept any drive (i.e been used - has data on it) ?
Maybe i should open a new question here - but what I want to do is pull a drive from a remote site once a month - that has backup data on it.  the single drive will be the only drive in a raid 0 array. I want to be able to go to our remote site,  pull the drive and swap it for another. then bring the drive back to the office and mount it on a server here.  Is this possible in your experience ?  without a reboot?



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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert PRO / EE Fellow/British Beekeeper)

you've also got

vSphere Mini Monitor : Now With More Cowbell!
http://nickapedia.com/2010/02/15/vsphere-mini-monitor-now-with-more-cowbell/

and also Orion Solar Winds
http://www.solarwinds.com/

So there should be something there you can configure to get email alerts should a disk fail, personally I like Nick's Solution :- vSphere Mini Monitor (should be in all VMware Admins Toolbox!)

What you propose is what we currently do at some client sites for Backup! (if they were RAID 1!).

But yes, that will work, just make sure, you only change one drive at a time, and it's working, and  wait for raid rebuild before removing any others.

Trevor Helps

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Thanks hanccocka

had a quick look at mini monitor and VEEAM monitor but it seems they both depend on me having VCenter

I'm just running Vsphere client for free and ESXi 4.1

Do you know off the top of your head any of the above monitors that work for non Vcenter scenarios like mine?

Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert PRO / EE Fellow/British Beekeeper)

Are you also running ESXi 4.1 for free?
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert PRO / EE Fellow/British Beekeeper)

Veeam Monitor works without vCenter, you can add just hosts without vCenter.
Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert PRO / EE Fellow/British Beekeeper)

You can use the tools, just specify ESXi server and ESXi root account and password!
Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert PRO / EE Fellow/British Beekeeper)

normally if using vCenter to manage all your servers, monitoring tools logged into vCenter will catch all events and alarms from all your hosts.

otherwise just add the single server to monitor and alert on.

otherwise you'll be looking at solutions, that send SNMP alerts from the ESX Server to Splunk or Nagios, which you then configure to receive alerts.

or implement HP Systems Insight Manager, but that's probably a lot of work for a single ESXi server.
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Yes ESXi 4.1 for free.
I wll go back and look at VEEAM again.
Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert PRO / EE Fellow/British Beekeeper)

ah, now this is the difficulty, because with the free version of ESXi, you'll not be able to use SNMP, because you cannot write or change the configuration of SNMP in ESXi, because you only have read access to configuration not write. So unless you register and purchase a basic license for ESXi, you'll not be able to use SNMP for monitoring.

You are rather limited with the free version, Backups and Monitoring, as it's designed really as a starter, and if you are going to use it Production, you upgrade to a licensed version of the product.
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