SBS 2003 to SBS 2011

Hello,
In a recent layoff, I've inhered 2 SBS boxes, one is 2003 and one is 2011, I believe the 2003 is the DC.
the environment is totally missed up and I need someone to help me figure out some facts.

how can I promote the SBS2011 to a DC and demote the other one and migrate all the users and the shared folders.

The exchange email is running off the 2011 one.

first how to verify the DC and the member server, just to be sure.
also how to migrate the users and shut down the old box and promote the 2001 to a DC.

Please feel free to ask for any missing info that I didn't provide, as I'm lost here.
Thanks

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Jason Yousef, MSSr. BI DeveloperAsked:
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Alan HardistyConnect With a Mentor Co-OwnerCommented:
SBS has to hold all 5 FSMO roles:

Schema Master
Domain naming master
Infrastructure Master
Relative ID (RID) Master
PDC Emulator

If both are on the same domain - they both can't hold all 5 FSMO roles for the same domain - so a fight will ensue and one will lose (hourly).

This might suggest that one has been nobbled to bypass this and in that case - the MS license has been breached, so you won't be compliant.

Are both server accessible from the client machines internally?

Q. how the users are running from the old one and the exchange from the new one?

A. Heaven only knows!!  Without seeing your setup I can only ask questions and offer guidance.
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Alan HardistyCo-OwnerCommented:
Well - both SBS boxes should be DC's and both should be acting as Domain Controllers in the domain.  If you have two running alongside each other on the same domain - they are breaching the license agreement.

If the SBS servers are on different domain names, then that is not an issue, but you cannot have two SBS boxes on the same internal domain (unless they cannot talk to each other).

You can't migrate users from SBS 2003 to SBS 2011 without re-building the SBS 2011 server and actually migrating from SBS 2003 by installing the SBS 2011 server in migration mode.

To determine the FSMO roles on the servers please check the following on both boxes:

http://www.petri.co.il/determining_fsmo_role_holders.htm
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Jason Yousef, MSSr. BI  DeveloperAuthor Commented:
Thanks for your reply...

So any SBS has to be a domain controller?
and how the users are running from the old one and the exchange from the new one?
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Jason Yousef, MSSr. BI  DeveloperAuthor Commented:
I checked an all the 5 FSMO roles belongs to the 2011 one.
yes users can access both internally from their machines.

but when the 2033 turns off, the users can't log in !!

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Jason Yousef, MSSr. BI  DeveloperAuthor Commented:
I created a user in the 2011 box, and found it got created too in the 2003, so how can I verify if there's a replication ?
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Alan HardistyCo-OwnerCommented:
Okay - so you have an SBS03 server that has been tweaked to bypass the licensing!

What are the IP's of each server and what is the result of ipconfig /all on a client?
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Jason Yousef, MSSr. BI  DeveloperAuthor Commented:
so you have an SBS03 server that has been tweaked to bypass the licensing!  I don't think so, it shuts down every 2 hours with nothing in the event viewer !!

will update you on that next week as I'm off, but hey thanks for sticking around.
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Alan HardistyCo-OwnerCommented:
Ah - well that's good news on one front!

The bad news is the shutting down.  Sounds like you need to complete the migration as you only have 21 days from starting a migration to complete it otherwise it will shut down regularly as you know only too well.
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Jason Yousef, MSSr. BI  DeveloperAuthor Commented:
Hi,
Thanks again for replying, I've suspended the SBS core service to prevent the shut down.

Now the offline files gets offline notification when the 2003 box gets offline, but when you right click on any synched folder, it's pointing to a the 2011 box!!!

do you know where I can change that or check it?

Thanks again
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Alan HardistyCo-OwnerCommented:
I wouldn't worry about offline files right now, I would finish the migration and get rid of the SBS 03 server as soon as possible.

Please run through the following article step BT step and make sure each step has been carried out.  If not, follow the step and then complete the migration and switch off the old server.

http://www.experts-exchange.com/OS/Microsoft_Operating_Systems/Server/SBS_Small_Business_Server/A_4234-Migrate-Small-Business-Server-2003-to-Small-Business-Server-2011.html
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Jason Yousef, MSSr. BI  DeveloperAuthor Commented:
That's a great article, but what I really want to do is to try get what running off the 2003 to the 2011, without re configuring the whole thing.

the 2011 already has the e-mail, and connected to 2 smtp outside domains, and I'm scared to screw up.

so I need to remove whatever running of the 2003 and don't do a new migration or installation.

I know I bothered you a lot but it's not my area, that's why I'm scared to screw instead of fixing.

please advise.
Thanks
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Alan HardistyCo-OwnerCommented:
Check the SBS 11 server in SBS Console for the Migration link on the first Page.  If it exists, then the migration is part-way through.  If not, then it wasn't migrated.

What is left in the old server?

Don't worry about bothering me.  Sometimes we get quick questions - sometimes not.  You have a BIG question, so it will not be resolved quickly :)
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Jason Yousef, MSSr. BI  DeveloperAuthor Commented:
alanhardisty, thanks for your help..

What is left in the old server?   I'm not really sure!! all the services are on the new server, but when the old server goes down, users can't log in and get offline files warnings.

offline files are pointing at the 2011 server, but gives the offline warning when the 2003 goes down !!

i'm not sure why they can't log in at least!
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Jason Yousef, MSSr. BI  DeveloperAuthor Commented:
Thanks..I'll open a new question when I need more help...
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