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Can vcenter 4 manage vsphere 5 esxi hosts?

Can vcenter 4 manage vsphere 5 esxi hosts?

We have vCenter 4 and some vSphere 4 Ent Plus hosts. Half of our vSphere 4 Ent Plus licenses were upgraded to vSphere 5 Ent Plus.

Can I upgrade my ESXi 4 hosts to ESXi 5 and still be able to manage them with vCenter 4? Or do we also need to purchase or upgrade our vCenter 4 license?
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Danny McDanielClinical Systems AnalystCommented:
no.  always upgrade your vcenter server first
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
You will need to install vCenter Server 5.0 on a Windows server, or a quicker method would be to download the new vCenter 5.0 Server Appliance.

BE WARNED. The vCenter 5.0 Upgrade/Migration of vCenter Server 4.x is problematic, possibly leaving you with no vCenter functioning Server.
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
I would be intrested to know, as an aside, why you have upgraded to ESXi 5.0, so quickly? Is there a specific new feature in ESXi 5.0, you require?
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
See here for EE user, where vCenter upgrade has gone wrong....
http://www.experts-exchange.com/Software/VMWare/Q_27312257.html

and as Consultants, we've seen many more of these in the wild, go horribly wrong!

Our Advice, at present is to hold off any vSphere 5.0 upgrades at present, new installs of ESXi 5.0/vCenter 5.0 - okay.

VMware Tools issues, Windows 8 issues it's a bit of a mess.
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mike_lfcuAuthor Commented:
@hanccocka we were upgraded to these licenses from a order screwup with VMware. We originally just needed some vSphere 4 licenses upgraded to vSphere 4 Ent Plus, to match some other licenses we have...

From what I'm hearing, these new 5 keys are useless until I have a vCenter 5.0 license.
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
ESXi 5.0 requires vCenter 5.0. - that's the deal.

you can execersie a downgrade right (there are downgrade rights, and in light of vSphere 5.0 issues, and also vRAM Tax, believe are quite helpful here!).
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
oh, you have NO vSphere vCenter 5.0 License?

If you have Support and Subscription, you should qualify?
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
you should qualify for upgrade, and should have the vCenter 5.0 License Key, in the Licenses, if you login and check your VMware Account.
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Danny McDanielClinical Systems AnalystCommented:
VMware only sells licenses for the current/latest version... so ,like hanccocka said, log into the vmware license management page, and downgrade your vSphere 5 licenses to 4.x licenses and then you can import those into vCenter's license manager and license your new 4.x hosts.
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Danny McDanielClinical Systems AnalystCommented:
I just went through the same thing a couple of days ago for 2 new hosts.  it's not a big deal except that vmware's license management site is a pain to navigate unless you use it alot.
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Neil RussellTechnical Development LeadCommented:
Best plan of action I found was as follows.

Create A NEW Server with VCenter 5 on it.
Detatch each host from your VCenter 4 and attach it to your new vcenter 5, repeat for all Hosts
Now with each host on your VCenter 5 server you can:

Put host into maintenance mode, All vm's migrate to other hosts.
power off host, put in a DVD with the ESXi5 ISO on it and boot
Do a CLEAN install of ESX5i on host
configure host settings etc
ensure cluster is using host.
Repeat for each Host until all hosts have ESXi5 on them

Worked a treat in my environment. Didn't trust the UPGRADE route of either VCenter or ESXi. And we were running all systems without issue in a day.

ONLY issue we have is with VRanger backup not working correctly buts thats another story......
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mike_lfcuAuthor Commented:
This worked! Looks like I can upgrade back to 5 when we're ready too.
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