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veeam as a backup solution

Do you think Veeam is a good substitute for using proper backup software?  I would have thought that when it comes to backing up domain controllers, exchange and SQL Servers it would maybe not be the right choice.  What are your thoughts?
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
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cmatchettAuthor Commented:
I was reading the following article

http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/Virtualizing_Windows_Active_Directory.pdf

I took from this article that backing up domain controllers using technology like veeam would maybe turn out to be more problematic
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
Provided that ALL DCs are Restored from Veeam at the same time, in the event of a Disaster, there will be no issues.

Often, problems exist, because a single DC is restore on it's own, and because it's old, and "rolled" back, will cause issues in your Active Directory, just like any physical machine.

Also Admins, do not understand the use of Snapshots, and Revert (go back in time), a Snapshot on a DC, which also causes issues, which is understandable, if you restore a DC backup from three days ago, in AD, you would have issues, with a physical environment.

We recommend to Customers, that they take two approaches, Backup and Restore VMs using Veeam, other third party backup products are available, vDR, vRanger, phd etc, and also use NTBackup to run daily jobs, to backup System State.
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cmatchettAuthor Commented:
If i lost a domain controller that was a physical machine, the only way I could restore it would be from the last succesfull backup or just install a new dc.

I understood that if restored ad using the proper methods, there would be no problem with the age of the backup because all the USN would then be correct and that dc would then update itself from other dcs?

Just as long as its not past the tomestone lifetime...

I actually missed that this question had been updated...sorry for only coming back now
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
It's exactly the the same with a virtual machine, what gives Virtual environments a bad name for DC's is because Admins, Rollback Snapshots.
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cmatchettAuthor Commented:
Then using veeam veeam replication would not be a good idea for domain controllers?  If the veeam replication schedule is nightly and VM01 fails the next day, the replicated copy of VM01 will be turned on automatically.  This would be yesterdays VM and cause USN update problems.
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
but that would be the same with a physical machine and backup?
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
take it for a 30 day test drive and trial it.
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cmatchettAuthor Commented:
we are actually using it at the moment...I'm just trying to get all our restore procedures in place should a disaster happen...
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
Well, you should enact a DR situation to test.
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cmatchettAuthor Commented:
Hi Hancock,

I am only coming back to this now.  I only need the Enterprise edition if I want to restore AD objects?  I initially thought that i needed the enterprise edition to restore active directory at all
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