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What do you think Judas’s gesture is telling about Jesus – part 4/5

The attached partial image is from famous Last supper painting from Leonardo di Vinci. He was a smart person and this painting is mostly his view.

Question: What do you think Judas’s gesture is telling about Jesus in this painting considering his body language?   Apparently, the dagger in his hand is removed in this version of the painting.

Background: Leonardo di ser Piero da Vinci (April 15, 1452 – May 2, 1519) was an Italian Renaissance polymath: painter, sculptor, architect, musician, scientist, mathematician, engineer, inventor, anatomist, geologist, cartographer, botanist and writer whose genius, perhaps more than that of any other figure, epitomized the Renaissance humanist ideal.

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Mike Eghtebas
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WaterStreetCommented:
Multiple questions.  Same concern.

Dagger or no dagger, my guess is that all this is concern about the prohibition (and the subsequent controversy) of having regular (leavened) bread at the Passover table.  See my original comment about this at http://www.experts-exchange.com/Other/Philosophy_Religion/Q_27387452.html#a36938905
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Mike EghtebasDatabase and Application DeveloperAuthor Commented:
The question is what da Vinci, is being subjective (as most of us often are), is he trying to tell us? The truth maybe different but this question is not about that.

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Mike EghtebasDatabase and Application DeveloperAuthor Commented:
Please note that the point of this question is not to discuss and discover a religious truth. The intention is to discuss what da Vinci is trying to tell us by the choice of gestures, body languages, and facial expressions he has painted this. Also see:

Part 1/5
http://www.experts-exchange.com/Other/Philosophy_Religion/Q_27387452.html 

Part 2/5
http://www.experts-exchange.com/Other/Philosophy_Religion/Q_27387641.html

Part 3/5
http://www.experts-exchange.com/Other/Philosophy_Religion/Q_27387642.html

Part 5/5
http://www.experts-exchange.com/Other/Philosophy_Religion/Q_27387655.html

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Jason210Commented:
During "The Last Supper", Jesus announces that one of his desciples present will betray him. The source for this is in Matthew 26:24-25, Mark 14:18-21, Luke 22:21-23 and John 13:21-30. Mathew and John identify Judas as the traitor.

It is thought by some that da Vinci depicts this moment in this painting. Judas is seen in the image here as being taken aback, so that would be consistent with that idea. The were other things said that would probably have caused a stir during this meal, including Peter's denial. Perhaps it was da Vinci's intention to depict the disciples reactions.
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CallandorCommented:
Judas looks like he is leaning back, so I would agree that he seems to be in shock at something said.
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Jason210Commented:
Exactly.
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Mike EghtebasDatabase and Application DeveloperAuthor Commented:
Presumably, he also had a dagger in his hand removed in this version of the painting.

I appreciate all for giving inputs. I see the only one smiling is Jesus. The rest seem somewhat at disbelieve or maybe a bit annoyed.

Here of course we are not to draw conclusions or discover a truth. Rather to figure out what Da Vinci is thinking. Please add any other observation you may have.

Thanks.
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Jason210Commented:
No the knife was not removed.

What I don't understand is why are you studying this "version" of the painting, which has been heavily doctored and changed as a result of several "restorations". If you want to know what da Vinci was thinking, you need to study the original, restored version.

The hand holding the knife either belongs to John/Mary, or to someone not seen in the image. The problem with it belonging to Mary is that it would mean she had a very long arm - longer than a human's arm. But then again, it was not uncommon for artists to use a bit of license now and again to get the message across.

There is a theory that Peter is holding the knife, but it would mean his hand was horribly twisted - would Leonardo make a mistake like that? I doubt it. In fact, Peter seems to have his hand clenched around the wrist of the hand holding the knife, and has is face thrust into John(or Mary) as if to disuade him/him from doing something. Yet, it seems like John/Mary's hands are entwined in front of her.

Also, notice how the guy to the left, Andrew, seems to be horrified. At what Jesus has just announced, or does it have something to do with the commotion centred around the knife?

Or is it John's hand and John has been momentrarily obscured as Peter leans in front of him to Mary?

In fact the painting of Peter looks altogether strange to me. His head is to long...could there be another face there?


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Jason210Commented:
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Jason210Commented:
The second image is much higher resolution. If you click on it.
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Mike EghtebasDatabase and Application DeveloperAuthor Commented:
Thank for the image. I was not aware of the different versions.

It looks like Peter is holding it. And he is trying to conceal it with his wrest and fore arm so twisted.
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