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Another HP DL vs Dell R series question

I know there are some posts on this issue, but I was not able to satisify my question.

I am preparing to purchase two servers (1 for an Exchange Svr approx 220 users and 1 for SQL Std)

I have spec'd out a DL385 and a PowerEdge R510 with the following specs.
As you can see the Dell is MUCH cheaper and has larger hard drives.  The HP has dual 12 core procs and is running ILO instead of iDRAC.

My question is basically, am I over analysing this?  Is the Dell as good as the HP?  I don't really need the extra HDD space in the Dell and the extra cores on the HP, while nice will likely be under utilized.

Also, am I comparing apples to apples?


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theruckCommented:
the main difference of the price would be in the service and support included with the server. so checkout on those. the deployment of the HP will be much easier and it is also much easier to find driver and firmware upgrades for the HP as it has all the sw needed for smooth upgrade in it.
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Indy_AdminAuthor Commented:
You responded faster than I could change the code to show my comparison...  Here it is

UNIT:
HP DL385 G7 (605870-005)
Dell PowerEdge R510

PRICE:
HP $7200
DELL $6000

PROCESSORS / CORES:
HP - AMD 2.3GHZ / 12 CORES
DELL - INTEL 2.53GHZ / 6 CORES

RAID CONTROLLER:
HP - SMART ARRAY P410i W/ 1GB CACHE
DELL - PERC H700 W/ 1GB CACHE

HDDs (ALL SAS-2 6GBS 15K DRIVES):
HP - 8X 146GB
DELL - 8X 300GB

REMOTE MANAGEMENT:
HP - ILO3
DELL - iDRAC6

WARRANTY:
HP - NEXT BUSINESS DAY ON SITE (3 YEARS)
DELL - PRO SUPPORT NEXT BUSINESS DAY ON SITE (3 YEARS)

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Indy_AdminAuthor Commented:
In response to your original question, can you elaborate on "the deployment of the HP will be much easier"?

Also, with the specs posted in legible format can you commend on a recommendation on the price difference, the RAID controller, and the 6 core Intel vs the 12 core AMD?

It would appear that the warranty is identical.
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rindiCommented:
In my opinion support for DELL isn't worse than HP's (actually I normally think that of DELL is better). I also don't agree with the drivers of HP being more available or better, or easier to get.

The Intel XEON CPU the Dell uses probably is hyperthreading, so it is similar core-wise to the AMD which uses physical cores only.

So I'd say you have two very similar systems and I would go for the less pricey option, DELL.

One thing that may be different, DELL's iDRAC that are built-in usually just has basic functions, you for instance don't have the full remote console when booting up, so you can see the server posting etc. To get that functionality you have to get a full version of the iDRAC which is optional and therefore costs extra. With HP's ILO it might be possible that you get the full featured product, but as I haven't seen HP servers since the compaq days I don't know about that.
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Indy_AdminAuthor Commented:
rindi,

The system comes with the iDRAC6 Enterprise card as well.

I guess at heart I am an HP person but I look at the pricing and my experience wtih Dell servers and am trying to justify spending the additional $1000.

Thoughts?
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rindiCommented:
I would go for the DELL. I have never had issues with them.
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andyalderSaggar makers bottom knockerCommented:
Firstly it's not really a valid comparison, both Dell and HP produce Intel and AMD based servers so campare Dell intel Vs HP intel or vice versa.

Secondly you're probably comparing web prices, HP don't really sell through the web so the price you see there isn't the price you would get from a reseller. Prices also deop just before end of the financial year, but again you wouldn't see that on the web price.

Get a quote from Dell and send it to your HP reseller, then send the HP quote to your Dell reseller.
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Indy_AdminAuthor Commented:
Firstly, I have compared like processors and have found that to compete with an AMD 12 core processor the Intel 6 core with hyperthredding is needed...  I am not processor brand loyal so either will work.

Secondly, I am not comparing web prices and have received competitive quotes from account managers at both an enterprise level VAR that we utilize and Dell.

Part of my reasoning for looking at the different platforms was to see if there is truely a reason to spend the extra $1000 on the HP when the Dell seems to have the same or better specs with the exception of processor cores.
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andyalderSaggar makers bottom knockerCommented:
Why aren't you comparing the Dell to a DL380 rather than DL385 though? (or perhaps comparing it to a DL180 since the DL380 equivalent is R710 rather than R510)
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Indy_AdminAuthor Commented:
I started with the 385 and then went to Dell.  After looking at specs, not a chart, I found the R510.
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andyalderSaggar makers bottom knockerCommented:
Well if you started with the DL385 then the R515 or more likely Dell R715 is the one to compare it with.
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