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Looking For A Means To Order, Arrange, And Organize My WIndows 7 64-Bit Startup Applications/Programs, Especially For a Particular Program/Application?

Hello. I have a question and a dilemma.

I recently installed an application/program named DreamScene Activator for my Windows 7 64-bit operating system that is designed to run automatically at startup. If you are unfamiliar with this particular application/program, it runs a repeating video clip as to create an animated desktop background. I am very pleased with this application/program's function and operation. Now, I notice that even though Windows 7's startup process is relatively much faster than previous versions of Windows; there is still a several seconds of a time gap or time delay until DreamScene Activator actually runs on my desktop from the time the desktop initially loads. I am often visualizing a black desktop before this animated desktop background starts.

I am wondering:

(1) if there is a program that can place order, arrange, and organize the Windows startup applications/programs (free preferably or paid application/program that is also compatible with Windows 7 64-bit), that would most likely be a benefit?  If you can suggest or recommend a Windows startup applications/programs; I also could order or organize not only DreamScene Activator, but 'any other' startup application/program as well?

…and/or…

(2) if describing in detail a manual means with the Windows 7's system directory or system registry adjustment(s)/modification(s) where I can place DreamScene Activator as the first or relatively one of the very first applications/programs to run first? Is there some function or feature in Windows 7 that allows to place order, arrange, and organize its installed applications/programs too?

Please provide your own detailed steps with suggestions, facts, hints, and tips; and/or the best possible well written, detailed and documented website links hopefully with images and demonstrations along with the instructions.

Please reply.

Thank you!      
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HCommented:
Add it to the registry start-up and it will start before the windows start up folder

    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run

or


    HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run

easiest way is to add the following code to a text file...take off the .txt extension and change to .reg...then double click on the .reg file and accept/yes to the add to registry



add the following to

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run]
"ProgramName"="\"C:\\Program Files (x86)\\directory\\execcutable.exe\""

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HCommented:
Also if you dont want to use the registry methody you can always take all the exectubles out of the startup folder and put them in one batch file....

Create a text file....  example.txt   rename file to example.cmd or example.bat

example of batch file below....


and then the example.cmd is the only thing that runs in startup
START "C:\Programs Files\dir1\program1.exe"
START "C:\Programs Files\dir2\program2.exe"
START "C:\Programs Files\dir3\program3.exe"
START "C:\Programs Files\dir4\program4.exe"

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nobusCommented:
try soluto :  www.soluto.com/
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RegulaOneAuthor Commented:
@ hollecar & nobus & anyone:

Hello. Nice to meet you, hellecar! Nice to see you again, nobus! Thank you both for your comment.  

I have attempted all possible methodological answers as you have provided here -- modifying the system registry and batch file with programs, and using a third party program (Which is very informative and intuitive, but lacks providing the DreamScene Activator program as a program at startup.). They do not have any effect on my "order" for having DreamScene Activator run first or relatively first. Let me stress the word "order" of programs loading on startup that is the issue here.

Do you or anyone have any further ideas or suggestions to answer(s) and solution(s)?

Please reply.

Thank you!
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nobusCommented:
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RegulaOneAuthor Commented:
@ nobus:

Hello again. Thank you for your comment.

Accessing your weblink in your last comment, I found this true to form with the addition to a third party program as I asked in my initial posted question, but not useful. As one of the commenter's in your weblink describes, the commenter indicates issues with installation with Windows Vista as stated the commenter's version of Windows installing (many startup program managers are pre-NT 6.0 platform). Others startup program manager that did install successfully not displaying the 'complete' listing of all the known startup programs, especially the startup program(s) particular interest to the commenter. The same is true for me. I found one of the recommended startup program managers download weblink is not even working. I do not see DreamScene Activator in a most of them I tested. I even tried the trustworthy and reliable SysInternals AutoRuns program where DreamScene Activator is present in the system registry, but no feature or function to set the startup program order.

Any further ideas?

I am listening. I would like to see what else you have to say for alternate answer(s) and solution(s), if any.

Please reply.

Thank you!
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nobusCommented:
i looked up the dreamscene activator :  http://www.thewindowsclub.com/windows-7-dreamscene-activator-released
and since it is NOT a program, but an add-on, activated from registry - it will never show in a programs list
so you cannot set is as first like other programs
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RegulaOneAuthor Commented:
@ nobus & anyone:

Hello again. Thank you for our comment, nobus.

Okay, so from your last comment, you have indicated that DreamScene Activator is instead ‘system registry-based add-on’ and ‘not a program’. I did not know that. It was an absolute surprise. I thought DreamScene Activator WAS INDEED A ‘PROGRAM’. I thought it was a ‘program’ by the ‘application’ *.EXE setup file (inside a compressed *.ZIP folder) that I downloaded and installed. Therefore I guess NOT ALL *.EXE setup files are indeed ‘programs’. I always believed when I see an *.EXE file, that it is a ‘program’ per se??? I guess not. But aren’t a vast MAJORITY of *.EXE files ‘program’ files??? Please explain! I trying to recall a time when an *.EXE file was NOT a ‘program’ file and I cannot ever think of a time that was true and I have installed MANY *.EXE setup files over the years – ALL where ‘programs’. This must be MY FIRST ‘non-program’ *.EXE file I have installed! I know I have installed ‘extensions’ or ‘add-ons’ before for example in Firefox that were obviously NOT *.EXE setup files, but other file types. Could you please explain what really an *.EXE (executable file) file REALLY IS if it is NOT as I have ‘wrongly’ assumed a ‘program’ setup file for all these years? WOW! (Question Number 1)

I have seen in my system directory for DreamScene Activator a folder at: C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows DreamScene      It seems to be a placeholder of sorts for something? It contains “DreamScene.jpg” folder and an “Img001.jpg” folder. I am yet to fully understand what these files are for? You do have any idea? (Question Number 2)

Also, now that I know that DreamScene Activator is instead ‘system registry-based add-on’ and ‘not a program’; is there a way to go into the system registry and in some manner by adding, deleting, or modifying the system registry key(s), string value(s), DWORD value(s), etc. to set the time during which DreamScene Activator runs applicable to system startup? I know you can establish “TimeToWait”, “Timeout”, etc. string value names and data that a user can perform to accomplish similar desired functions; I am wondering how system startup times creations/modifications though the system registry can be done to accomplish this with DreamScene Activator? (Question Number 3)

Please reply to my three quesitons.

Thank you!                
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nobusCommented:
>>  I always believed when I see an *.EXE file, that it is a ‘program’ per se  <<   that is correct to view it like that, by the fact that it executes A program (= the exe file) -  - however, it does not mean it INSTALLS a program

an example : if you want to add a registry key, in most case you do it by making a keyfile in vbs format, eg key.reg
you can then right click it, and ADD it to registry - so that is clearly a registry add-on
as said, many do not send it as key.reg, but as key.vbs - but that is still not "clear enough " for most users, so they make an exe file of it -->and there you have the key.exe file; which IS aprogram itself, but does NOT INSTALL a program

>>  This must be MY FIRST ‘non-program’ *.EXE file I have installed  <<   i think you installed many, without knowing, and in most cases, the difference is not noticeable, or worth investigating; compare it to data and instructions in the ram; the difference is the LOCATION only (if it is used in the program exeution string, it is an instruction, if it is called up as data - it is data
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nobusCommented:
Q2 they are probably example pictures you can use in dreamscene
btw - i tried to setup dreamscene on 1 of my pc's - but failed to do so (but did not look into it very long yet)
as for setting up the order in registry - i will have to look that up (if i have time, i'll do so today, and post an answer to that)
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nobusCommented:
btw - it's running now
here a program (lol) that does it :  http://www.greatis.com/security/startuporder.htm
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RegulaOneAuthor Commented:
@ nobus:

Hello again. Thank you for your previous comments.

Thank you for the clarity on *.EXE files. It sounds like *EXE files is a 'process' that allows a program to place its payload of files INTO THE PROPER LOCATIONS -- whether in system directories AND/OR system registries. They key words here: 'INTO THE PROPER LOCATIONS' & 'AND/OR'. It is 'selective' 'depending' upon the program itself is 'designed' to do.

Also, with my Q2 (Question 2), you state in your comment above, "they are probably example pictures you can use in dreamscene"; but you indicate that you couldn't determine this at the time. I am curious now that you were able to install and run DreanScene Activator on your system -- what exactly is that folder location at: C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows DreamScene Have you figured it out now? You 'thought' before successfully installing it that it has something to do with "probably example pictures". I have looked inside the folder and even though contains “DreamScene.jpg” folder and an “Img001.jpg” folders, I see no same pictures at all??? I am really wondering what you think this folder is used for. You logic and rationale makes sense, but I am not sure. I am curious to your thoughts?

And finally your last response in you last comment; thank you very much. I have read about it and from what I can see, it would work for me very well.  Just the program that works for me!  

Please reply about your thoughts on the “DreamScene” folder in one’s system directory purpose?

Thank you!

         
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nobusCommented:
>>  C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows  <<  i think so
evrytime i set a dreamscene, the files for it (jpg)  are showing into that folder; so i assume it is it's working storage
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RegulaOneAuthor Commented:
@ nobus & hollecar:

Hello again. Thank you for your comment, nobus. This question has been fulfilled and I am now going to close this question.

This is a very unique question/thread where I do not get these very often in this manner or design where the 'actual' question and answer pertaining to my REAL TRUE issue is actually NOT my initially posted question at the top, but actually as this issue evolved, the REAL TRUE question was extrapolated later on to my OWN issue going on here.

Therefore evaluating this question to the "PROPER ANSWER AND SOLUTION", I have to look at it 2 ways IN ORDER TO BE FAIR (NORMALLY if I had ONLY ONE expert user assisting me with this entire question/thread, I would move forward to my "PROPER ANSWER AND SOLUTION" later on presented in this question/thread and the hole evaluate process is much easier to conduct. However, I do not since I have 2 expert users in this question/thread and have to address this question/thread in this way.):  

1. Evaluate from the perspective of my initial posted question at the top for the 'correct' answer and solution BASED ON my initial posted question.

2. Evaluate from my REAL TRUE issue with an answer and solution that was eventually extrapolated.

In essence it is ACTUALLY two questions in one thread -- but that is the natural process presented through scientific reason and thought to finally determine the correct answer (outcome) and solution.    

BUT it still means I can ONLY have ONE "Accepted Solution" for this WHOLE question/thread.

Therefore, to be FAIR, I am basing the ONE "Accepted Solution" on my initial posted question since the expert comment applicable to my initially posted question at top is the REAL reason all experts applied to this comment. When someone references my initially posted question at top, they need to know the answer and solution for my initially posted question at the top and not the correct answer and solution for another evolved question that was eventually raised.  I am going to award "Assisted Solutions" to the second part or the 'Evaluate from my REAL TRUE issue with an answer and solution that was eventually extrapolated.' as well since the work that was determined to find *MY TRUE* answer and solution applied to ME and needs to be recognized as well for the work done by both the exerts and me.

Therefore to simply this evaluation in summary form/chart form:

hollecar – hollecar’s first and second comments are indeed answers and solution based on my initially posted question.

nobus – nobus’s first and second comments are again answers and solutions based on my initially posted question.  

Of the two experts and the four expert comments, who is the ONE “Accepted Solution” based on my initially posted question?  Answer: I will say that if my add-on was installed as a program in my program files instead, I would want to keep it simplistic in startup order. hollecar’s approach is exemplified in hollecar’s both comments. nobus demonstrates the use of third party startup programs WILL work and I am sure it does. nobus’s approach provides startup program managers that NOT ONLY control DreamScene Activator, but the user can see any other issue that may be happening with another startup program where it may impede DreamScene Activator’s *ACTUAL* startup order in relation to other startup programs. This is actually easier to observe and correct when hollecar’s approach if there are extenuating circumstances interfering with the start order since hollecar’s approach does not demonstrate this comprehensive overview. Therefore nobus will receive the “Accepted Solution”. Now of nobus’s two comments on third party startup program manager weblinks, which one gets the “Accepted Solution”? I have tested a few of the nobus’s weblinks and I found nobus’s second comment has a couple startup program managers that work nicely.

nobus – nobus’s second comment – “Accepted Solution” (150 points)

nobus – nobus’s first comment – “Assisted Solution” (50 points)

hollecar – hollecar’s first and second comment – “Assisted Solution” (50 points each comment)  

Now,  (2.) Evaluate from my REAL TRUE issue with an answer and solution that was eventually extrapolated:

nobus – nobus’s third comment – “Assisted Solution” – determined *MY* REAL TRUE issue and answer (100 points)

nobus – nobus’s sixth comment – “Assisted Solution” – determined *MY* REAL TRUE solution (100 points)

Again, thank you for your answers and solutions to this multi-faceted question/thread!!!
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nobusCommented:
thanks, RegulaOne, for your detailed explanation, and courtesy towards the Experts
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