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What is one life worth?

The Israeli governement has recently announced a deal with Hamas on the release of a captured Israeli soldier for the release of hundreds of Palestinian prisoners, some of whome with blood on their hands (responsible for the death of Israelies). There are now lawsuits pending before the Isrealis Supreme Court, filed by victiums of these attacks and relatives of those who died, in order to prevent this deal.

Is the deal worth it? What is one life worth?
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Anthony RussoCommented:
To that one guy and his family it is worth it.

Looking at the larger picture though, I cannot see how they agreed to this. It will only encourage the next one to be taken hostage to get another thousand prisoners released.
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carsRSTCommented:
I don't know if there's something behind the scenes that we do not know.  But I do not think the trade was worth it.  

They basically released a lot of terrorists that will once again cause havoc to Israelis.
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Anthony RussoCommented:
I can't imagine how this is justified either.
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Mujtaba_Alam_KhanCommented:
>  I cannot see how they agreed to this. It will only encourage the next one to be taken hostage to get another thousand prisoners release <

This isn't anything new. it has happened many in the past.

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> They basically released a lot of terrorists that will once again cause havoc to Israelis. <

Most people (over 90%)  taken by Israel are innocent and never been charged with any crime. They can spend from 6 months to decades in prison and randomly released or in an agreement like this.

Israel isn't stupid that it will let a 1000 people go and have them hit Israel back.

-Muj ;-|
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carsRSTCommented:
>>Most people (over 90%)  taken by Israel are innocent


I realize you're anti-Israel, but let's not just make crap up.  
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Anthony RussoCommented:
I learned yesterday that the Israeli Ambassador is upholding a promise made to all Israeli families that when a son goes to join the IDF they will always do whatever is necessary to have them returned from being held prisoner.

I think this is ludicrous as they could have an enemy say "Burn down all your buildings to the ground and we will release our one prisoner we have". This was a case where that one soldier and his family should have not agreed to uphold this on these demands.

I honestly cannot say if it was me or my son that I would have the strength to do so though.
 

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leonstrykerAuthor Commented:
Most people (over 90%)  taken by Israel are innocent and never been charged with any crime.

That is a blatant lie: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13628218
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carsRSTCommented:
>>That is a blatant lie: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13628218


Muj, what says you?

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Mujtaba_Alam_KhanCommented:
> Muj, what says you? <

Its not a lie. Israel see stone throwing kids as a threat to Israel national security.

Also:

For example, carrying or placing a Palestinian flag is a crime in itself. Removing the rubbish put in the middle of a road by Israeli soldiers after they have left is another crime. Firing in the air during a wedding, as is the tradition, constitutes a danger to Israel's national security, even if it occurs in the autonomous territories (area A). Pouring coffee for a member of an association declared illegal by Israel is deemed support for a terrorist organisation.


The Public Committee Against Torture in Israel (PCATI) and the Palestinian Prisoners' Club issued a report in December 2010 that found that between 70% and 90% of the detainees interviewed in the years 2005 to 2007 were not allowed to meet a lawyer able to provide advice and assistance prior to signing a confession.

A forced confession!

Also:

Palestinians are tried in Israeli military courts. These military tribunals are presided over by a panel of three judges appointed by the military, two of whom often do not have any legal training or background.


Reference:
http://thecepr.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=116%3Apalestinian-prisoners-in-israel&catid=6%3Aissues-and-briefings&Itemid=34

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> I realize you're anti-Israel <

Now that's a what you call Blatant Lie!
It would like someone coming up to me and saying your Anti-Chinese, since I want Tibet to be a Independent nation, also Taiwan to remain Independent and not be under China.  

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@AnthonyRusso

> I honestly cannot say if it was me or my son that I would have the strength to do so though. <

Perhaps you should look it from another POV. No matter how many divisions might exist with the State of Israel. Most of them seem united over such matters. I believe that hardships that the Jewish People had over the centuries has made them stronger. They really take care of their own. Most other nations wouldn't care less. What is one life worth to them. You be surprised that a few year back there were rumors that the solider in question was Dead. Even that the State of Israel was willing to have Prisoners released for the Dead body. It is hard for us to understand what one person matters to them where here a few hundred or thousand don't.

-Muj ;-|
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Anthony RussoCommented:
>>the State of Israel was willing to have Prisoners released for the Dead body

I heard this as well. I also think this is ridiculous. You do what you can to return a prisoner within reason. To release 1000 prisoners to get back 1 prisoner is irresponsible. To release any prisoners to get back a dead body is irresponsible. I don't care what the promise was that was made years and years ago.
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leonstrykerAuthor Commented:
Its not a lie.

Yes it is:  70% of its security prisoners have "blood on their hands", or are responsible for lethal attacks on Israelis.

The Public Committee Against Torture in Israel (PCATI) and the Palestinian Prisoners' Club

Not what I would consider an Independent body
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Mujtaba_Alam_KhanCommented:
> is irresponsible <

Why, this process took over 5 years. Israel would have thought about it a million times.
You honestly think that Israel released prisoners that Hamas would have wanted.
Of course NOT! Israel released prisoner that were never a threat.

-Muj ;-|

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carsRSTCommented:
>>Israel released prisoner that were never a threat.

This does make no sense.  I can't make heads or tails as to why Israel would to this swap.  In my opinion, this weakness will only invite more terror.



>>Israel see stone throwing kids as a threat to Israel national security.

Or the constant rockets, bus explosions, gun fire, and other terrorists acts that Israel must endure.  I personally don't know how Israel has as much restraint as they do.  
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Mujtaba_Alam_KhanCommented:
> The Public Committee Against Torture in Israel (PCATI) and the Palestinian Prisoners' Club <

The PCATI is an Israeli Human Rights Organization. They are an Independent Group within the Israel.

Guess who donate money to them:

EU, France, Ireland, Sweden, Norway, Finland and the UK.  

http://www.ngo-monitor.org/article/public_committee_against_torture_in_israel_pcati_

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Israel_Fund

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> 70% of its security prisoners have "blood on their hands", or are responsible for lethal attacks on Israelis. <

Coming from the State of Israel, now that what you call Independent.. Ha!

-Muj ;-|
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carsRSTCommented:
>>Coming from the State of Israel, now that what you call Independent.. Ha!

Muj, do you believe Israel has a right to exist?
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Mujtaba_Alam_KhanCommented:
> Muj, do you believe Israel has a right to exist? <

Of course it does.

-Muj ;-|
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leonstrykerAuthor Commented:
The PCATI is an Israeli Human Rights Organization. They are an Independent Group within the Israel.

About the only thing they are independent of is a brain cell. Like all democratic countries, Israel has a left lunatic fringe and they are it.

You honestly think that Israel released prisoners that Hamas would have wanted.

They been haggling over this for 5 years! 70% of its security prisoners have "blood on their hands"!!!

Coming from the State of Israel, now that what you call Independent.. Ha!

I am a lot more willing to believe a Democratic government that is willing to trade 1000 enemies for a 1 soldier, than fringe groups who enable terrorists.
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Mujtaba_Alam_KhanCommented:
@Leo

> Israel has a left lunatic fringe and they are it. <

Actually there are many more.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_left

> I am a lot more willing to believe a Democratic government <

Just like you believe in your government & President Obama.

-Muj ;-|
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leonstrykerAuthor Commented:
Actually there are many more

If there were a lot more they would be in power. As is they are a small fringe minority.

Just like you believe in your government & President Obama.

Yes, I do. I even believe Obama most of the time. Not what he says, but I believe that what he says is, in his opinion, for the best of the country.
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Mujtaba_Alam_KhanCommented:
>  in his opinion <

The point I was coming across was that government lie. All of them in-fact when it comes to conflict.
There are many reports of Israel violation Human Rights by the UN. Not least on the USA itself.
Any excuse to deny people their rights.

-Muj ;-|
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leonstrykerAuthor Commented:
There are many reports of Israel violation Human Rights by the UN. Not least on the USA itself.

Human Rights violations come in many shapes and sizes, but i am not going to argue that. The point I am making is that your statement "Most people (over 90%)  taken by Israel are innocent" is still a blatant lie.
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Mujtaba_Alam_KhanCommented:
> is still a blatant lie. <
I have proved it is not a blatant lie. It just that you don't want to believe.
If I wanted to lie, why didn't I say 99%. I even provided the source. Whether you believe them or not, the choice is your. Just like I don't believe the Government of Israel. Its a difference of opinion.

-Muj ;-|
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leonstrykerAuthor Commented:
I have proved it is not a blatant lie. It just that you don't want to believe.

What evidence? Show me one credible source that 90% of people released in this travesty of a swap are innocent.
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Mujtaba_Alam_KhanCommented:
> What evidence <

Show me evidence from an independent source that 70% of people have blood on their hand or are a threat to the state of Israel which Israel released!!

-Muj ;-|
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leonstrykerAuthor Commented:
>Show me evidence from an independent source that 70% of people have blood on their hand or are a threat to the state of Israel which Israel released!!

50 percent of the terrorists freed for any reason whatsoever returned to the path of terror, either as perpetrator, or accomplice.

Israel freed 400 Palestinian prisoners and five other prisoners in return for Elhanan Tannenbaum, who was held captive by Hizbullah, and for the bodies of three soldiers kidnapped on Mount Dov. According to Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee Chairman Tzahi Hanegbi, from the date of the deal on January 29, 2004, until April 17, 2007, those freed in the deal had murdered 35 Israelis.

An investigation by the Almagor Terror Victims Association in Israel revealed that at least 30 of the terrorist attacks perpetrated since 2000 were committed by terrorists freed in deals with terror organizations. Many were freed in the framework of goodwill gestures because they were defined by Israel as “without blood on their hands.” The bloody swath cut by these terrorists claimed the life of 177 persons, with many others wounded and made invalids.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_released_Guantanamo_prisoners_who_allegedly_returned_to_battle
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Mujtaba_Alam_KhanCommented:
@leo

>  those freed in the deal had murdered 35 Israelis. <

Wait a minute. Aren't you forgetting the conflict in 2006?
What about the years in conflict where there is crossfire between both sides, including involvement of the Lebanese Army.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000-2006_Shebaa_Farms_conflict

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Lebanon_War

Also:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342415,00.html

-Muj ;-|
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leonstrykerAuthor Commented:
>@leo

Please do not call me that.

>Wait a minute. Aren't you forgetting the conflict in 2006?

How does that have any bearing on released terrorists? Those 35 killed were killed after the 2006 conflict.
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carsRSTCommented:
>>Please do not call me that.

Funny stuff.  I'll know not to call you that going forward.  :)

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carsRSTCommented:
Update....



Israeli prisoner swap may be prelude to attack on Iran
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/28/israeli-prisoner-swap-may-be-prelude-attack-iran/
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