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Fellows (and ladies) I am a bit confused.  I currently run an old school Citrix PS farm.  I keep it pretty well updated, so it may be called XenApp now, but still works with published desktops, and therein lies the rub.  I can't see how to best migrate the farm to the new Citrix stuff, which might not even offer real published desktops anymore.  I run mostly thin clients, but there are a few computers out there too, and therein, another rub.  I have a new Win7 desktop computer that I would like to install a Citrix client onto, but cannot figure out what to use.  It seems Receiver Enterprise might be in my future, but I cannot get my mind around how it works.  There must be a plugin to make it see the farm and the published desktops but I cannot seem to get it right.

So, where should I take my old school farm with published desktops to as an upgrade?  Which new Citrix products to use and such is my goal, but I do not want to force changes on my user base as they are giant babies and cry loudly.

and second, which client/receiver should I use to access the old school farm as it now stands.

I do have a spare server (2008R2) or two to build with, and the current fsarm is stable, so I have plenty of time to plan.

I'm watching this thread, so if you got questions, fire away.

TIA
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published desktops are still there in XenApp 6.5.

Web Interface and Receiver 3 (which is a multi-threaded client)
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Web interface?  That means the babies will need to use IE to access the desktop?  They now have an icon on their desktop that launches the PS Desktop in a Citrix window?  Is that functionality gone?
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Web Interface is an option, which uses the Citrix 'Web Online Plug-in'.  Citrix 'Online Plug-in' replaces Citrix Program Neigbhorhood.  This plug-in uses a web URL, but doesn't require a web interface to access Citrix.  Online Plug-in will allow you to publish icons on users thin clients/desktops.  So users can launch published applications and/or desktops in the same fashion as you have with PS.  
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Citrix no longer supports the old Program Neighborhood functionality.

If you use XenApp 6.5, try pointing the client to a Data Collector.  XA6.5 now allows servers to be data collector able or just plain session servers.

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Correct. Standard PS functionality is gone, but publishing applications and desktops is not.
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I cannot find the Citrix Online Plugin.  Offline only.
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Citrix Offline Plug-in is used for Application Streaming

Online Plug-In
https://www.citrix.com/English/ss/downloads/details.asp?downloadId=2313030&productId=186&c1=pov1863153

Citrix Offline Plug-in Overview:
http://support.citrix.com/proddocs/topic/xenapp-application-streaming-edocs-v6-0/ps-stream-plugin-description-v3.html

Deciding Which Plug-ins to Use for Application Streaming:
http://support.citrix.com/proddocs/topic/xenapp-application-streaming-edocs-v6-0/ps-stream-plugin-decide.html

Accessed from a server. The profile is streamed from the App Hub to the XenApp server, where the offline plug-in is installed by default. The application displays on the user devices using the online plug-in or Web plug-in; the offline plug-in is not required on the user device. When you publish applications as "Accessed from a server" and "Streamed to server," users access the applications using the online plug-in or Web plug-in. This method does not support desktop integration or offline access to applications.

Select the online plug-in package that fits your corporate needs:
•Install CitrixOnlinePluginFull.exe to stream applications to XenApp servers and launch them with the online plug-in, which provides transparent integration on desktops, or launch them from a Web browser using a Web Interface site you create. Users have the full online plug-in feature set.
•Install CitrixOnlinePluginWeb.exe to stream applications to XenApp servers and launch them from a Web browser using a Web Interface site you create. Users have a limited online plug-in feature set.
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Am I now 'streaming' my apps?  Is that where my confusion lives?  
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As I understand it from Citrix the Web Interface is beeing discontinued and to be replaced by Delivery Services instead. At first you weren't even able to connect with the Self-Service plug-in (former Dazzle) against a Web Interface site but with the latest release and some hacks I think you can. I guess Citrix has relized that the migration from WI to Delivery Service won't be that easy.


Receiver for Windows 3.0 NEW!
Release Date: 8/24/2011
Replaces the Online Plug-in. Contains all of the Online Plug-in funct ions.
Use “Receiver” for on-demand access to Windows, Web,and SaaS applications using Internet Explorer or Firefox on Windows 7, XP, Vista, 2003,  2008, 2008 R2,or ThinPC.
http://www.citrix.com/English/ss/downloads/details.asp?downloadId=2315305&productId=1689163&ntref=clientcenter

Online Plug-in for Windows 12.1
http://support.citrix.com/proddocs/topic/online-plugin-121-windows/ica-online-plugin-121-windows-wrapper.html

Is the Citrix Online Plug-in being discontinued?
http://zenapp.blogspot.com/2011/07/is-citrix-plug-in-being-discontinued.html

Citrix Online Plugin 13
http://shammyowens.blogspot.com/2011/09/citrix-online-plugin-13.html

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Additional Citrix XenApp Info:

XenApp 6.5 for Windows Server 2008 R2
http://support.citrix.com/proddocs/topic/xenapp/xenapp65-w2k8-wrapper.html
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Streaming applications or application virtualization requires building application packages.  This is certainly an option, but not a requirement.  However, application virtualization seems to be the direction where everything is going.

You can still install applications directly on the XenApp server and publish them or publish the desktop.  I am however, leveraging Microsoft App-V vs. Citrix's Configuraiton Manager for Application Virtualization.

On-demand application delivery with Citrix XenApp
http://www.citrix.com/English/ps2/products/subfeature.asp?contentID=1683975

XenApp and Microsoft App-V integration
http://www.citrix.com/English/ps2/products/subfeature.asp?contentID=1863016

XenApp 6, MDOP, and Configuration Manager  
Provides a good Architectual overview of On-demand application Delivery
http://www.citrix.com/site/resources/dynamic/salesdocs/XenApp_6_MDOP_and_Config.pdf
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"As I understand it from Citrix the Web Interface is beeing discontinued and to be replaced by Delivery Services instead. "

Not correct.
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Carl,

Thanks for the checks and balances.  Personally, I was trying to provide some useful information, but apparently some of it was incorrect. I meant to strip out that personal remark from the comment.  This was pulled from a comment to an article that I referenced.   Aside from this particular comment the rest is from me or other more credible sources like Citrix.  
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This is all good guys (and dolls), I'll sleep on it and try something tomorrow if there are no firefights going on in the morning.
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Folks, I still have no clue.  I have a new Win7 client here that needs to deploy, but I cannot figure out how to connect it to my PS4.5 published desktop.

I always used Program Neighborhood to connect my LAN/WAN based clients, and web access for the home users.  I guess that was just too easy so Citrix is messing with me.

Can I get a step by step somewhere?  It is very hard to believe that I cannot use Win7 clients to access my farm.

TIA
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Have you tried the Citrix Quick Launch tool?

http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX122536
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Yeah, tried it, but it won't launch.  Looking at legacy clients...
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The stupid alarm is silenced!

I'm afraid I was just over-thinking the whole concept.  It is true that Win7 will not act the same as XP, but the final result is the same for the user.  Think KISS Principle, and keep it simple.

1.  Install Win7
2.  Install Citrix Online Plugin
3.  Open IE and point it to your Citrix Server Farm Controller Web Interface (Citrix0 for me)
4.  Login and launch the desktop.
5.  Turn off stupid alarm.
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Thanks guys, learned something today.  It hurt a little...
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