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SBS 2011 Windows Restore

Hi,

I have been backing up my sbs 2011 server using the Windows Server Backup Wizard every night and I get a successful notification every night. Now I want to test the recovery process.

I've created a new VM on a different network and copied the last successful backup set into a USB drive and shared it from a different machine which is on the same network, both machines can talk to each other,  my problem is I can't get the repair wizard to see my backup set.
I followed the instructions this link:
http://blog.ronnypot.nl/?p=615

Can anyone tell me how to perform a bare metal restore from a backup set and into a new machine? I have not been able to

Thanks
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smaguire
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Rob WilliamsCommented:
I am doubtful you can do so over the network. There are a series of permission issues that come into play.
To do so you can attach the USB drive to the Hyper-V host.
Create a new VM SBSTemp, with the same number of drives, the same size or larger.
You also need to add as a DVD an ISO file, which is a pointer to the SBS bootable install media.
Then in the host disk manager mark the USB drive off-line. You can now attach it as a drive to the SBS VM as another drive.
Start the VM which should boot from the ISO, and during the backup stage you can access the USB drive to do the restore.
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Rob WilliamsCommented:
In case you haven't seen it the following is a good article on restoring SBS. It is for bare metal, but once you get the system to boot as per my above comments the restore process is the same on a VM.
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smaguireAuthor Commented:
Thanks Rob for your reply,
Yes, I saw that link but I can't get past the second screen-shot. From your comments earlier:

"Then in the host disk manager mark the USB drive off-line. You can now attach it as a drive to the SBS VM as another drive."

I can't see that option. I've attached my external drive where I have my backup set to the Host Server and from my VMWare  Infrastructure I can't see any option for connecting/ adding a USB drive or mark it off-line?
I am on ESXi 3.5 and Infrastructure version # 2.5
Any idea?
Thanks
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smaguireAuthor Commented:
Check the attachments, I can't add any USB option! Image1 Image12.png
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Rob WilliamsCommented:
On the physical machine to which the USB drive is connected, open disk manager. Right clicking on the left site of the USB drive should give you the option "mark offline". See attached image.
In The hyper-V manager you will note when adding a dive, there is an note: "If the physical hard disk you wwant to use is not listed, make sure that the disk is offline. Use disk management on the physical computer to manage physical disks".  This is why.
Offline.PNG
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Rob WilliamsCommented:
Sorry smaguire I didn't see your last post when I posted the above. I see you are using VMWare, not Hyper-V. I have not tried an SBS restore with VMWare.
Is this ESX or VMWare server> If ESX, I am afraid I can't comment, if VMWare Server you may be able to mark the drive offline on the host, and then choose add hard drive (even though USB), and it may show up.
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smaguireAuthor Commented:
it's an ESXi Server.
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Rob WilliamsCommented:
I am not sure how you would do so with ESXi. Switched all clients from VMware to Hyper-V exclusively shortly after ESXi was released. ESXi is a good product though.
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smaguireAuthor Commented:
I created a new lun and a new virtual disk and pasted the backup set files in it (43 GB), and added it to the test VM as a second drive but the repair wizard does not see it.

How can someone restore then if the wizard doesn't allow us to restore into a new disk?

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Rob WilliamsCommented:
You can restore to a new disk or VM, but the issue is getting the restore wizard to see the backup. Over a network is very difficult, there are several blog posts about that. Locally with Hyper-V it is quite easy but as mentioned I am not familiar with the minor differences with ESXi. You would have to copy the VHD, not the contents of the VHD. SBS backup will not work simply seeing the contents of the vhd file.
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smaguireAuthor Commented:
I am trying another approach,

I will build a new SBS 2011 on a new VM and then will try to restore one of the backup sets from it, so basically the new machine should become like the existing one!

I will post back the results
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smaguireAuthor Commented:
ok guys, back to simple 101 instructions...

If someone has an SBS 2011 on a VM in an ESXi server and there is a good backup set sitting on a remote network location, your main server crashes and can't be brought back for any reason, how to get your server back up and running?

I've tried to build a new sbs 2011, on a new disk but it would not read a backup image that was created by another sbs 2011. Am I missing something here?
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Rob WilliamsCommented:
One of the reasons I switched to Hyper-V, documentation is easier to find :-)
I am fairly certain the backup disk will need to be physically attached to the host in order to be seen by the restore, also a different SBS installation will probably not recognize the backup set, however if the disk is offline it can be accessed from any Win7 or Server 2008/R2 on a file by file bases to do manual recovery of files. As mentioned I am not familiar with ESXi intricacies as to the recovery process. Perhaps click the request for attention link and ask the moderators to add this question to the VMWare topic area.
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
Which version of ESXi are you using?

4.1?

Your Virtual Machines Version is 4.0, if you were using a VIrtual Machine version of 7.0, Virtual Machines support a USB Controller, which you can add as a device, and then you can add a USB Device.

ESX/ESXi 4.0 introduces a new generation of virtual hardware (virtual machine hardware version 7), so I'm not sure why your virtual machine version is 4.0!

Okay, I've just seen you are on ESX 3.5. This would explain why!

If you were using 4.x or 5.0, you would have a USB option.
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chakkoCommented:
Just a comment.  You said that you had the backups runnings nightly.
When you copied the last backup set, was that a Full backup (such as the 1st backup made), or was it a daily backup (like an incrememental backup)?

Diid you copy the Whole original backup folder to the USB disk or part of it?
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smaguireAuthor Commented:
Thanks Guys,

hanccocka, I am running ESXi 3.5.

chakko, the back I have is incremental and it has been backing successfully every single night. I copied the entire back folder...as is.

I've also created a new vm with new sbs 2011 installed on it, and added a second drive it with the back up set, I logged in as Administrator and went into recovery...I was able to get it to see the backup set but now when I try to choose system state recovery I get a warning message saying some about ..."the backup set was created on a different hardware and it's not recommended to restore it on this new machine, and if I would proceed it would cause some problems!..."

Now if I go to my original plan and create a new vm and boot from the installation cd then choosing the Repair Option, If I were on ESXi4 or 5, do you think it would solve my problem and I would be able to see the USB controller?

Thanks
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chakkoCommented:
I would wait for hancoccka to repsond.

but since you have a 'recovery' VM, I would back that up (so you can rolllback/resume again if it goes bad), then proceed with the restore and see what happens.  Is the 'recovery' VM you have setup similar to the original one (same disks structure)?  
I've read that windows backup in 2008 / R2 is pretty good.  I have restored 2008 R2 to the same hardware but not in a VM environment, so I don't know what actually happens.

your original plan that you mentioned, boot from a DVD, choose the repair option.  Have you tried that? I would make the disk structure the same and the original machine, and add another disk where you copy the backup files to. First Format it (the disk containing the backup) in another VM so that NTFS is there.  Then boot from the DVD and see if the VM can see that disk with the backup files in it.  Just my thought on what I would try.
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smaguireAuthor Commented:
I've done that, I formatted the disk where I have my backup set with another Windows Server 2008 X64 even so just to remove an doubts about 32 bit vs 64 bit.

When I tried to boot from the DVD and selected the repair option, then I would basically end up with two options, the first option: the wizard looks through the new vm and it tells me that I have no previous backups detected on this machine (which is right since it's a new machine)
the second option: going to a remote share or local disks..............I tried two things here:

A- I've put the backup set on an external USB drive, but the wizard doesn't even listed in the possible options from it's drop down list, it only lists the D: drive

B- I've tried to access a network share with the backup set on it and it won't, I think it's because the OS has not been installed yet and the network adapters have not been initialized or something.

I mean what I am trying to do is not out of question, it should be very common in the IT world. Your machine crashes and it won't boot and you need to restore your backup into a new vm...
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
There are a few associated risks you need to consider

1. Is your server, supported for ESXi 4.x or ESXi 5.0. See Hardware Compatibility List here http://www.vmware.com/go/hcl

2. Does you server have a 64 bit processor, support Intel-VT or AMD-V

If 1 & 2 are fulfilled, you may be able to install/upgrade to ESXi 4.x or ESXi 5.0.

ESXi 4.1 and ESXi 5.0 support USB passthru, you WILL be able to add a USB Controller and USB Device to the Virtual Machine.

BUT, some external Hard Disks are not supported, and do not appear in the virtual machine.

So I'm afraid, yes in theory, but without your configuration, server, external USB hard drive, there are lots of ifs!

However, if USB Restore is supported by SBS 2011, then yes it would function correctly on our kit, in the offices.
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
I mean what I am trying to do is not out of question, it should be very common in the IT world. Your machine crashes and it won't boot and you need to restore your backup into a new vm...

But Most people in the VM world, do not treat their Virtual Machines, like Physical Machines, and they Backup the VM, at disk/block level, and not complete a file based backup inside the VM!

That's old fasioned, and has always had issues!

DR is simple in VMware, backup the VM at the block level disk level.

Checkout my EE Article


VMware ESX/ESXi Backup Guide
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chakkoCommented:
Have you tried what I suggested, make a VM disk and put the backup files in there, and then see if it can see them?
you said A:  USB disk - doesn't work
B: network share:  no go.

what about a VM disk?
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smaguireAuthor Commented:
chakko,

VM Disk won't even show in the possible options from the recovery wizard...
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smaguireAuthor Commented:
I think I will just clone the VM using VMWare converter into a new LUN like hanccocka suggested, and keep backing up those system files using the built in Windows Backup Wizard and should something happens to the live SBS machine, I would start the cloned machine and try to restore from those daily backups.

Will this be enough to recover?
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chakkoCommented:
in the recovery console can you see the disk?

I haven't used the recovery console much, but maybe you can start wbadmin from there?   just  a suggestion at something else to try.
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
The Windows Server Backup, backs up the machine as one VHD image.

So when you restore it's all or nothing.

However, you can mount the VHD, and copy files from the VHD.
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
I would drop the use of WIndows Server Backup, and look at GhettoVCB.
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smaguireAuthor Commented:
Thank you guys for helping me out. I awarded partial points for participating
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
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Rob WilliamsCommented:
SBS is very fussy about how it is backed up and restored. Be very careful and test any third party solutions and make sure they will also allow restore of individual files. If looking at 3rd party you are best to have SBS specific software such as Shadowprotect for SBS that allows backup and restores to virtual, or physical.
http://www.storagecraft.com/shadow_protect_SBS.php
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
@RobWill: Works perfect as Microsoft intended!
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Rob WilliamsCommented:
@ hanccocka. I agree. I wasn't referring to your post but rather the reference to GhettoVCB, which I believe is an excellent product, but verify it is fully Exchange/SBS compatible and you can restore individual files.
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
@RobWill: GhettoVCB is a Virtual Machine Backup product, it backs-up the virtual machine disk.  It provides no means of restore! You cannot restore individual files, you would need to mount the VMDK, and extract manually, but it's FREE!

GhettoVCB uses the VMware Storage APIs, e.g. Snapshot to maintain consistent backups, it works as well as the other third party products, with the bells and whistles.

But any, Backup and Restore product should be tested before use!
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smaguireAuthor Commented:
hanccocka,

Exactly what I was trying to do, I even got the authentication prompt when I pointed the wizard at the network share where I had my back stored, only in my case the wizard could not see any backups on my network share.
I tried to point it to the main folder that has the back files but it could not see it.

I will give it another try, and see...

Thanks guys
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