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Updating browser for Win 98SE

Hello;

One of my latest problems with this Win98SE OS computer I am working on is the Firefox browser I am using.

It is  Firefox version 2.0.0.20 which works with Win 98SE I am finding.

But it falls short of being able to interact with many websites out there.  For instance, I go to my Hotmail and can only view my emails-not open them.  Or I go to Youtube and I cannot do Searches-I can only play what videos are on the opening webpage-and then the playback resorts to a lesser playback machine-one that doesn't have many functions and the playback is rudimentary.

My question is this......is there a more updated browser for Firefox than version 2.0.0.20 that will still work with Win98SE and maybe be able to deliver better functionality to me when I access websites?
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Gary ColtharpSr. Systems Engineer

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Oh my god... update your operating system. This is 2011. Technology older than 5 years is obsolete.
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According to what I can find on the Mozilla site, what you are using is the last version of FF that will work with Win98. And the other user is correct, it's really time to upgrade your OS. I'm one to keep things running as long as possible; heck I still run a ton of XP in my company, but win98 us just too old.

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I should have mentioned......this is my hobby computer and I am doing this for fun just to learn from the experience and to see if I can get it to work.

I tried Opera but was disappointed in its layout.  I suppose I could try it again or is there another alternative browser that would work with 98?

My main problem was finding a way to stop scripting and NoScript 1.10 worked with Firefox 2.0.0.20 as an Add-On.  But if I switch browsers, I will need something similar to NoScript that will work with a new browser and Win98SE.  Reason being is that old Pentium II processor simply cannot handle all of today's advertising.  It bogged down my hobby computer enormously!

Any further thoughts?  I appreciate your replies.
Gary ColtharpSr. Systems Engineer

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The biggest issue is that HTML, CSS, Java, .NET... all the things that make web browsing go today have all been advanced and the older methods are deprecated. You need to be using a current browser to view pages normally and Win98 isnt going to run anything new enough to handle current standards.

It is unfortunate but IT is an upgrade or die environment.
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The main problem that I see is that you are constantly going to run into what you are experiencing now. Today's infrastructure doesn't work with the "ancient" Win98 OS. And so as you attempt to upgrade you will then find that apps you have invested in or that really work for you may no longer be made or if they are the versions that you need to use are no longer available. From that time frame, IE, FF, and Opera are probably your best bet, but as you've seen there are issues with that.

I am a computer person from way back and can appreciate what you are trying to do with the computer. Heck, I have a copy of BeOS still laying around that I'm not sure I could find anything to run it on. :)

I think for you to really enjoy your hobby you need to move to something a little more current. Even Windows 2000 or preferably XP would be a better choice and you would them have a "stable" platform on which to experiment with new scripting tools or the like.
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There could still be a version of Mozilla's Seamonkey around that could work. According to the info in the download link it should run on win98, although I don't really believe it. Probably a 1.x.x release version is more likely to work, but anyway, here's the Link:

http://seamonkey.en.softonic.com/

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OK, thanks for all the thoughts.  I have plans to try this with all the OS's and refurbish my small hand me down collection of old computers.  Win2000 was to be next and I even thought to try it with an even older computer that still has a 5 1/4 " floppy.  I want to put Win95 on it.  And there's an even older one I wonder about Win 3.1 for it.

But as I am seeing, these computers are not Internet compatible.  That makes me wonder how much longer Win2000 and then XP, etc. will be functional.  I am starting to realize that I can't go out and buy a new computer everytime big business wants to change horses in the middle of the stream by creating a new OS every 3 years or less and everything becomes obsolete.  Like most everyone else, I'm not made of money.  This is starting to look to me like corporate rational.  Keep new products coming and dump advertising onto the public to keep up with the Jones's or fall hopelessly behind in the world.  I can't afford it.

So, maybe I just need to refurbish them to an offline state.  That should just be a matter of simply loading the OS onto the computer, right?  Or would there be more to it than that?

Thanks, I'll take a look at Seamonkey.  I had heard of that when Win98 was popular but I didn't know much about computers then and so I didn't know what it was back then.  Thanks for the tip.

I realize that you are all probably right-this may be a hopeless venture.  But I want to keep trying for a little longer.  Thanks.
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I think that MS's official support of XP is done, but we still use it and for most things it provides a very viable platform.
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You have a good alternative to m$ stuff. Go for Linux. There are current distro's available that are built to run on old hardware, and they are internet compatible. Many of them are also just as easy to use, along with a nice GUI. Most of them are free. You can check the site below for a big list of distro's:

http://distrowatch.com
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M$ still supports XP SP3 into 2014. After that it won't get security updates.
Asta CuTechnical consultant & graphic design
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I'm just amazed when I think about how short life is, how many incredibly creative and intrusive kinds of events and people are out there that can cause harm to you and others while you are unprotected and not keeping abreast of key issues in your explorations.... with that in mind when it comes to computing and the internet, unprotected and visible ... chaos can ensue.  If in your choice you're online, have others you communicate with in your various interfaces (email, etc), you are host to so many problems..... as are your family and friends in terms of idendity theft, spam, keyloggers, virus, trojans and so on.  This is 2011, many world-wide, very smart people look for open doors.

I feel what you're doing has many open doors and I'd seriously recommend that you rethink things and either stop the explorations with old stuff while on line or upgrade with many protections to minimize problems down the road.

These times are seriously in the throes of world-wide "smart people" who know how to harm.

I cannot say enough about upgrading and keeping Operating Systems updated and supported, keeping good firewalls in place, protections in terms of on-line support for spyware, etc.  When we expose ourselves, we also expose those that are on our computers (email contacts, etc.) and those I think are issues you should seriously consider.

Good luck on your venture, I sure hope that you consider the downside and possibilities carefully in terms of how and when you'll consider getting things more updated and secure.

Asta

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Thank you all for the comments.  I would like nothing more than to keep abreast of all the changes and upgrades going on in the world.  But that takes money in this "seemingly" throw away society.  I don't have that kind of money so I have to try and keep going what I have.  And as I said, I hope to learn something about it all as I go along.

Personally I wish there were a way to backtrack and find the people who are the perpetrators who seek to harm and dish out to them what they inflict on others and seek damages and punishment for them.  I wish I knew how to do it myself as I would love to see more abilities to find and track such people down.
Is there a way?  I'd like to bring them to justice.

I could look at Linux but this is a labor of love, sort of, to try and see how far I can go with Win98SE.  What intrigues me most about Win98 is how one has to remember so much of how things are interdependent on other things for '98 to function.  It is not like the current OS's that only show you a box that says "Would you like Microsoft (or someone) to find that driver for you?"  Yes or No?
You had to know what steps to take to install that driver.  That's one of the many things I need to remember how to do.

I mean, it's nice to have the computer OS software do it for you but if I need to learn how to repair a computer or integrate something into it, I won't learn how to do it if it is done for me.  Win98 is probably the last OS where you had to do that before OS's became so automated.

Thanks.

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Still, you guys are probably right.  Just now, I cannot get Avast! Forum to Post my question about my antivirus for Win98SE.  I an registered and online and I can type out my question but it won't post.  I guess it's the Firefox 2.0.0.20 browser that's insufficient to allow the website to function properly.

Could it be anything else?  Thanks.
Asta CuTechnical consultant & graphic design
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Sadly you're using Firefox and it's very old, even version 5 doesn't list W98 as options
http://www.accessfirefox.org/Fx_System_Requirements.php

Actually I couldn't agree any more with you about how we as end users shouldn't have to be pushed into more costly environments, but then the world is dynamic, the world is what it is.  

If I can add anything worthy of your time, I'd say that you would probably do your friends and family favors by eliminating them as contacts or other ways as you do your research and explorations so that they and their systems are not contaminated with the ugliness that permeates those unprotected in these online times.

I would LOVE to see the culprits brought to justice.  And truly, don't know anyone who doesn't share that thought.

I think another thing we all here share on this thread is the desire to understand and control our own environments.... and that is admirable.  The thing that gets in the way is that the environments are (again at the cost of redudancy) dynamic and ever-changing that some of the top organizations attempting to keep up with the creative badnicks are having a tough time.

Enough said....  I'm sure you get my gist.

":0)  Asta
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Maverick2010, you've just experienced another downside to holding onto the old; no good AV solution. I agree with you in that I may times wish that MS, and others, would just take a chill. Do we really need IE9?  Isn't IE8 good enough for awhile; same with Windows 7 and 8. Having said that,I have just recently upgraded my kids' PCs to Windows 7. XP was really working well, but 7 is a nice upgrade so I moved them. There's a lot about 7 that I don't like, but that may be mostly because I'm a Mac.

Even if you got your wish, just think how old Win 98 is. There is no real way that we could not have moved forward in those in intervening years. And manufacturers of third part products are going to go where the money is and for the four people still running Windows 98, it's just not worth it to carry product that will support that OS.

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I was disappointed that there seems to be no solution to my problem.  I had hopes to refurbish my old computers and then relegate them as relics (working relics)- a tribute to the past.

But it seem my dreams have been dashed.  And unfortunately, I like so many others, have little money to keep up with ever-changing technology.

I guess I will be left behind after all.  Let the youth have it.
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Maverick2010, I agree with you to a point. I suppose part of the issue depends on your definition of working. If all you want to do is to have an old PC running an old OS and actually running it, sounds like you're there. If you want it to do all the things that it used to do in today's world of Internet specs and current software, then, yes, you can't.  My wife is always saying to me something like "Why did we have to upgrade?"  

Technology moves along as do most things in this world. I have three Saturns in my family; cars that GM no longer makes. And as much as I like them, if I bought a used car today, I'd probably choose something else simply because parts and service are going to get harder and harder to get. My wife had a couple of old antenna TV's that she had around the house; little 10" things that she watched while doing housework; we've tossed them because they no longer receive any signal. The newest "large" TV in my house is probably over 10 years old and since we have cable we can still use them fully, but even then we have found limitations as the cable companies have gone to an all digital signal.

But the thing is, if you bought a new computer right now, it would probably work for you for years to come. Would you eventually have to dump it; sure. But look at what you are trying to do; run Windows 98 in 2011; that lasted 12 years; not too shabby.

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OK, I see your advice.  Thus is the road of progress.

Well, how about this, then.  If I return the computer to Win98SE specs-free it from any Internet reception-and simply use it for offline purposes (like playing videos or games or typing letters), would it work then?

Or do today's videos and games, etc. themselves have such update technology that they simply still wouldn't work?  Unless I get video games that were dated for Win98 use?  How about today's videos over the Internet?  Could they play using Win98? (I could use the older VLC Player)

I shouldn't ask all this since I've closed out this thread so it's OK if nobody answers.  Thanks.
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Modern games won't run on w98. Videos may.
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As rind says, most new games won't work. Not only with the hardware most likely not support it, but the OS probably won't as well. A PC with Win98 is kind of like the old Atari system I still have. It's great as as reminder of the past or if you have software that was made to run on it, but not much else.

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OK.  Thanks a bunch.  I suppose if I can find old games designed for Win 98, that would still work.

Thanks again for everyone's help.

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