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Search Server Express Vs Foundation Install

I'm looking for expert advice on choosing between two install scenarios:

1. Use only Search Server Express 2010 package for my SharePoint farm installs
2.  Install SharePoint Foundation and then add Search Server Express to it.

I want to make sure I understand the limitations or advantages of each scenario.  Some questions I have for each scenario are:

- Does one choice or the other choice change the way I will apply updates and service packs?
-How does choosing one or the other scenario effect the total number of servers in the farm?

Here are some discussions I've seen already about it - although I'm still not sure how accurate these are and which direction makes the most sense:

http://sharepointony.info/2011/02/17/sp-foundation-search-server-express-ifilters/
http://fedcloud.wordpress.com/2011/08/
http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/sharepoint2010general/thread/c0118fb1-ed0c-4e48-9393-f8dc6a35ad21/


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Jayaraja JayaramanSharepoint Architect Consultant

Commented:
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The main disadvantage is that “It can be used only on one Farm”

Microsoft has added many features to Search Server 2010 Express.

1) Query Suggestions: Query suggestions for end users. Users see the Query suggestion as they type queries as well as suggestion after they run queries, this is accomplished by “Did you mean” suggestion.

Note: Remember these suggestions are based on past queries from other users

2) Related Searches: A web part showing related searches for the given query.

3) Multiple Sources: The following connectors come out of the box in Search Server 2010 Express:

SharePoint sites

Windows file shares

Exchange public folders

Lotus Notes

Web sites

IFilters for additional repositories

Structured content in databases

Federation object model

4) Relevance Model: Incorporate your workforce’s preferences and behavior into the relevance model. Extracted metadata and phrase matching also affect document rank.

5) Scale up to 10 Millions Items: It can scale up 10 Millions items.

Overall Search Server Express 2010 is good choice for SharePoint Foundation 2010 and if you have less data for search. Also remember the limitation of Search Server Express 2010 that it can be used on one web farm only.

Author

Commented:
Thanks for your comment, but what I'm interested in knows about are the advantages or disadvantages to setting up SSE only from the getgo or  setting up SPF with SSE on top of it.   Also, I'm wondering the same or different patches apply for each. E.g., would I need to apply patches for both SPF and SSE if I installed both on the same server?
Justin SmithSr. System Engineer
Top Expert 2012

Commented:
The advantage is.....Search.  Foudnation has horrible search capabilities out of the box.  Search Server Express expands the capabilites.  That is the main advantage.

If it's a brand new deployment, just go straight with Search Server Express 2010, not Foundation.  

For patches, install the Foundation ones first, then the Search Server ones.  I don't think there are specific Search Server Express patches.

Author

Commented:
Do we loose anything by not installing Foundation first?   It seems like practically all the docs out their say to do Foundation first - although it seems it may not be necessary.
Justin SmithSr. System Engineer
Top Expert 2012

Commented:
No you don't lose anything.

Author

Commented:
Going forward would I be applying SPF or Search Server patches?
Sr. System Engineer
Top Expert 2012
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Author

Commented:
Great Thanks

Author

Commented:
Opps,

Looks like there might be some limitations in not installing SPF first:

http://sharepoint-tutorial.net/post/2011/07/25/sharepoint-template-basic-search-center.aspx
Justin SmithSr. System Engineer
Top Expert 2012

Commented:
I'm not following.  What is the limitation?

Author

Commented:
mysites and taxonomies not available
Justin SmithSr. System Engineer
Top Expert 2012

Commented:
MySites and Taxonomies are SharePoint Server features.  Not Foundation.

Author

Commented:
Great.  Thanks for the clarification