Gaining space on boot drive of windows2003r2 file server

Thomas Zucker-Scharff
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In August I asked a similar question, or at least in an attempt to do the same thing - get more space on my c: partition of my file server running win2003r2 service packed.  I am admining this computer which came configured from dell with 12gb on the c: partition and 500gb on the d: partition.

The partitions look like this:
dell partition with 0 free
c partition with 270mb of 12gb free
partition that seems to be the size of all disks/partitions combined with 0 free
d partition with 400gb free of 500gb

In the other question I accepted an answer that linked to an article on freeing up space on your hard drive for win2000 servers.  The advice was excellent and I ended up with 2gb free on my c: partition.  My problem now is that it keeps shrinking.  I've had to go through the steps 3 times since then to regain less and less space.  I even uninstalled a slew of applications and some windows components.  It would be great if I knew enough to know if I could get rid of the .net framework - does server use that?  I have to have a malware scanner installer  by university regulations and the one they provide for free is SEP which has 500mb in definition files alone (with only 270mb it doesn't even have room enough to update the definitions).  

Any help would be greatly appreciated, I'm an expert here but my specialty is definitely not in windows server.

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Lee W, MVPTechnology and Business Process Advisor
Most Valuable Expert 2013

Commented:
What exactly is taking up the space?  Run as an administrator WinDirStat or Diruse can give you an idea. I hate SEP, but I'll grant you, I've seen other AV products work the same way. I would consider using a junction and moving SEP to that if you had to.

But first, please give us a breakdown of how large the folders are on you c drive at the top level

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I have been running Windirstat and
10+gb is in the windows folder
800+mb in Program Files (most of which is in common files wherre the SEP definitions are stored)
270 mb free space

I can give you a bigger breakdown if you like - I'll run windirstat again and do a screencapture.  I took the suggestions on that page and moved the shadow copy files to the D: partition and although I have undelete installed it is not enabled for the C: partition.  I seem to have a lot of .net files - a few hundred mg in 2000 files.  This is a file server only so noone except me ever logs into the console and even I do it rarely logging in remotely is far easier.
Lee W, MVPTechnology and Business Process Advisor
Most Valuable Expert 2013

Commented:
A bigger breakdown on the Windows folder, yes. Check the c:/windows/temp folder as well ad mini dumps and iis logs
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Author

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I was slightly off in the numbers above.  Here is the screenie of windirstat:
 WinDirStat of C: Drive of file server
Notice the white line around the windows directory in the graphic.  The large files below the white line are the SEP definition files - there are 2 identical files one in the dated directory and another in the binhub directory both call virscan7.dat and are each 203mb.

Author

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Here is a pic of the windows directory:

 windows directory
Windows Installer directory:

 Windows installer directory 3.3 gb
windows system32 directory:

 windows system32 directory 2.9 gb
Windows directory larger:

 Windows directory larger 9.7 gb

Author

Commented:
BTW I moved the servicepackfiles to the D: drive by editing the registry (followed direction in technet article)but they now exist in both places.

Author

Commented:
ALso I was looking around, do I need these temp files:

 win doc & settings

Author

Commented:
Leew, as you can see from the pics I think I got rid of temp files and this server isn't running iis.  I changed the setting for minidumps to the smaller one (64k I think).

Author

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Is there some antimalware solution for server2003 that has a smaller footprint?  When I got rid of SEP I gained almost 1gb.  I had to reinstall it in order to stay in compliance with uni policies.  For instance does MBAM Pro work on servers?  It seems to have a pretty small footprint.

Author

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As long as I was at it I did these to scans:

Servicepackfiles directory on c: drive (old):

 service pack files on C:
Servicepackfiles directory on D: (new):

 service pack files on D:
Have you tried, Windows installer Cleanup utility

Author

Commented:
downloaded but haven't tried yet. Is it okay to use on server?
noxchoIT Product Manager
Top Expert 2009

Commented:
Nice configuration with system on W: drive =)
Looks like you have copies of install files in Installer folder. But I would not dare to remove them (is this SP?). Extend your system drive by taking space from adjacent partition. 10GB is rather small for Windows 2003 IMHO.

Author

Commented:
tried to do that but as you see there is a  partition in between the c and d.  is there a way to do that with built in sw?
IT Product Manager
Top Expert 2009
Commented:
Nope. DiskPart.exe cannot handle system partitions.
You need to use third party tool in any case. Use either open source Parted Magic tool or paid version of Paragon Partition Manager 11 Server Edition www.partition-manager.com which can take backup before performing resize.

Author

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Do these tools work with raid 5?
noxchoIT Product Manager
Top Expert 2009

Commented:
Yes, they do. Parted Magic could fail on some old RAID controllers. On the opposite WinPE partitioning CD from Partition Manager has Load Driver option which makes it compatible with all RAIDs that you have driver for.

Author

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noxcho The partition manager software looks promising.  I can get my work to buy it, but before I do I decided to try installing the demo - it says another install is running (there isn't one) and besides I don't have enough room to install on the c: drive.  I tried installing on the D: drive without success.  Can I run it from a CD?  It wasn't clear on the website.
noxchoIT Product Manager
Top Expert 2009

Commented:
Yes, you can. It works under WinPE Recovery CD for PM11 as well.
And if it said that another installation was in process then you could accidentally start the installation double time.
How much space do you have on C:?
noxchoIT Product Manager
Top Expert 2009

Commented:
I mean how much free space do you have left on C:

Author

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That's my problem, I have a little less than 300mb of free space on C:.  The website says it may need upto 1gb to install.  I have plenty of room on D:, but if I can run it off a CD all the better.

Author

Commented:
My mistake - just under 400gb free space on C:.  The biggest problem is that it is constantly shrinking. The event logs get pretty big fairly fast (from friday to monday free disk space went from 250mb to 0).  Clearing the event logs and removing one user's directory regained about 300mb.  the user directory was 50mb so I assume the rest was event logs.

Author

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Whoops!  Meant under 400mb!
noxchoIT Product Manager
Top Expert 2009

Commented:
I don't know about 1GB but 100MB is fairly enough for this partition. Also for your needs you can request a smaller package that uses about 50MB space and works from command line only.
noxchoIT Product Manager
Top Expert 2009

Commented:
I meant for this partitioning tool.

Author

Commented:
I've ordered Partition Manager and will assign points shortly.

Author

Commented:
I also tried to make more space by changing antimalware packages - GFI looks promising but I'm having trouble installing.  I get the error below.  I'm going to try deleting the profile's folder and logging back in (RDP). GFI Vipre demo install problem

Author

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Forgot to say I tried this using both the login I was in which had admin priveleges and using run as with the built in admin account.
noxchoIT Product Manager
Top Expert 2009

Commented:
Check in Administrator group if your user is listed as admin there.

Author

Commented:
The user is a member of Domain Admins built-in group.  I created a new user put it in as a member od the domain admins group and as good measure put the user as a member of builtin administrators security group even though domain admins group was already a member of this group.  I logged in and received an error while computer was setting up new account (mscoris.dll missing).  I looked that up and it says it has to do with the .NET framework installation.  I had uninstalled .net 2.0, but not 3.0, 3.5 or 4.0.  At any rate when I tried to run the install again I received the same error.  
noxchoIT Product Manager
Top Expert 2009

Commented:
What is the exact name of the package you are trying to install?

Author

Commented:
I'm no longer at work, but the package its an msi. It's the default name of the demo package from paragon. I also tried an msi from gfi - their business vipre demo, default name.

Author

Commented:
I'be purchased pm11 server and am waiting for it to arrive.  I hope this will do the trick.
noxchoIT Product Manager
Top Expert 2009

Commented:
If system has the problem with MSI installation look if your Windows Installer Utility is ok. Sometimes it needs to be reinstalled. Also if you cannot install it then you can boot the server from WinPE Partitioning CD for PM11 and perform the resize there.

Author

Commented:
I tried the MS installer cleanup utility. It only seemed to make things worse.

Author

Commented:
Thanks to everyone who helped out on this question.  I ended up using Noxcho's solution - Partition Manager 11 Server.  This ended up being an easy excellent product.  Thanks!
noxchoIT Product Manager
Top Expert 2009

Commented:
Thanks for feedback.
Take care
Noxcho

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