who came first, chicken or the egg?

hi experts,
who came first, the chicken or the egg?

thanks for your answers in advance
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Ess KayEntrapenuerAsked:
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Anthony RussoConnect With a Mentor Commented:
>>Welcome to the 21st Century.

I love science.
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Paul JacksonConnect With a Mentor Software EngineerCommented:
According to Evolution : the egg
According to the bible : the chicken
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systanConnect With a Mentor Commented:
Philosophy = First = Egg(man came from mothers egg)
Religion = First = Chicken (and god created animals, didn't quote eggs, chicken is an animal?)
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tliottaCommented:
Well, rats. The first P/R question in a while and it's answered too fast. Sigh.

I'd been contemplating asking "What's the difference between Philosophy and Religion?" But the answer to the chicken/egg question illustrates it succinctly.

Too bad this question wasn't "Which came first: the chicken or the chicken egg?"

Tom
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Anthony RussoConnect With a Mentor Commented:
>>Too bad this question wasn't "Which came first: the chicken or the chicken egg?"

Same answer as the jacko72 stated:

According to Evolution : the egg (The creature that laid the first chicken egg was not a chicken)
According to the bible : the chicken (God created animals, not eggs)

In my belief and grasp on reality it is the egg that came first.
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tliottaConnect With a Mentor Commented:
(The creature that laid the first chicken egg was not a chicken)

Well, that's where it gets interesting, isn't it?

The dividing line isn't particularly clear. There may be dozens, hundreds or thousands of generations where the egg-layers and the eggs could be classified both ways and have offspring that could go both ways, until the genetic line stabilized. The various combinations of conceptions along the way could sometimes result in a "chicken egg" and other times in a "not quite chicken egg".

The epigenetics and other factors apparently may shift things both ways depending on environment.

Is it a 'chicken' if-and-only-if it came from a 'chicken egg'? Or does it also have to produce chicken offspring? Is it a 'chicken' if it's capable of producing chicken offspring but doesn't because of environment (perhaps merely lack of a suitable partner)? If it's laid by a chicken, is it a chicken egg? If it produces chicken offspring, was it definitively from a chicken egg? If a mutation happened during egg incubation, was it a chicken egg?

The sense of the question involves a specific dividing line that I believe doesn't exist. I see it as much more as a region of transition that admits alternative interpretations at any particular point.

At least, it seems to on the Evolution side. Not so on the Religion side.

But maybe not. I suspect more needs to be known before anything like certainty comes.

Tom
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WaterStreetConnect With a Mentor Commented:
[not quite a fly on the wall]

I really liked jacko72's posting, because I got it, but it didn't give others the great explanation that AnthonyRusso gave:

According to Evolution : the egg (The creature that laid the first chicken egg was not a chicken)
According to the bible : the chicken (God created animals, not eggs)


Great! A new answer to a very old question, IMO.  Welcome to the 21st Century.
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Ess KayEntrapenuerAuthor Commented:
sorry guys, ....The ROOSTER CAME first!  points for trying
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