Does VirtualBox running SBS 2008 require manual driver install ?

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I am installing SBS 2008 virtually with Oracle VirtualBox on a Windows 7 64 bit OS host (a high end Dell PC). I need to know if I need to MANUALLY install any drivers in the Virtual environment.

The reason I ask is Windows install CDs usually do NOT provide ANY of the following drivers: LAN, Video, audio and chipset. Occasionally they provide one of the above but usually none. In actual practice the chipset driver is usually not required unless there is a certain missing entry in Device Manager. And SBS 2008 use should not require an audio driver (please correct me if I am wrong). That leaves the LAN and graphics/video driver which ARE needed.

In another thread here EE Virtual expert hanccocka has said

"Virtualbox uses virtual hardware which is indepedent from the host, and uses its own drivers"

Does that mean that I do not need to worry about drivers for SBS 2008 in VirtualBox as it provides its own
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that I **STILL** need to MANUALLY install drivers for the QUOTE "virtual HW"? And if so where do I get those drivers ?


Note: In case it matters, Windows 7 drivers USUALLY work with SBS 2008 per answers in another EE question that I have recently posted plus an answer from Dell Server tech support on the phone. And the Dell Win 7 drivers for the Dell PC HW are available at the Dell Website. And from actual experience I know that they (LAN and graphics) work for SBS 2008 as I first installed SBS 2008 in a dual boot environment (not virtual). Dell does NOT provide SBS 2008 drivers for this HW as it is NOT a Dell server.

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Does that mean that I do not need to worry about drivers for SBS 2008 in VirtualBox as it provides its own

Correct, just make sure you install the Virtualbox Guest Additions.

the Guest Additions are designed to be installed inside a virtual machine after the guest operating system has been installed. They consist of device drivers and system applications that optimize the guest operating system for better performance and usability. Please see the section called “Supported guest operating systems” for details on what guest operating systems are fully supported with Guest Additions by VirtualBox.

See here
http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch04.html
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When I build a Virtual Machine for XP, Vista or such like, the Virtual Machine gets its drivers from the environment for the virtual machine with no additional drivers. That is how it works for VMware Workstation and I think VirtualBox is very similar.

Try one and I think you will find this to be the case. .... Thinkpads_User

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hanccocka and thinkpads_user,

Thanks for your prompt replies.

hanccocka,

What is the relationship between Guest Additions and the Vbox extension pack. The latter is described as follows from the Vbox manual
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Currently, Oracle provides the one extension pack, which can be found at http://www.virtualbox.org and provides the following added functionality:

    The virtual USB 2.0 (EHCI) device; see the section called “USB settings”.

    VirtualBox Remote Desktop Protocol (VRDP) support; see the section called “Remote display (VRDP support)”.

    Intel PXE boot ROM with support for the E1000 network card.

    Experimental support for PCI passthrough on Linux hosts; see the section called “PCI passthrough”.

VirtualBox extension packages have a .vbox-extpack file name extension. To install an extension, simply double-click on the package file, and the VirtualBox Manager will guide you through the required steps.
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It sounds like they are different   Please confirm that. Do you recommend that I ALSO install the extension. And if so do I install it in the guest or the host environent?

Regarding "Please see the section called “Supported guest operating systems” for details on what guest operating systems are fully supported with Guest Additions by VirtualBox."
Windows Server 2008 **IS** listed as supported at your link.

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Guest Additions are required - important and recommended.

VBox Extension Pack are experimental, and I would only install if you have actual requirements for the extensions.  Not normally required.

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Thanks.

Another driver related question. My graphics card AMD HD6770 has two DVI outputs that can be connected to two monitors for effectively a bigger screen in the Host Windows 7 environment. That assumes the AMD HD770 driver is installed for Windows 7 and it it is.

It would be convenient to have the virtual SBS window on one monitor and the Windows 7 on the other monitor.

Will Virtual box support that
. i,e Can I move the usb mouse and usb keyboard easily between environments with two monitors?

Mike
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Yes, you can have Virtual SBS running on one monitor and other workstation Windows 7 stuff running in another.

Virtualbox will support that, and keyboard and mouse will not be an issue.

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No need for more post here. Points will be awarded after I install SBS 2008 in VirtualBox and also Guest additions and test LAN and graphics driver functionality. (Should be this week; I keep getting called out on jobs and cannot find the time at the moment but soon).  I will NOT wait to assign points until I test 2 monitor stuff as that is a bit in the future.

Mike

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I have not had time to install SBS 2008 in VirtualBox due to several jobs and other issues. I will assign points after I do that.

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I **STILL** have not had time to install Virtual box and SBS 2008 because I have been hired part time by another larger PC repair company and it has taken 10 days to get up to speed on their procedures and paperwork (which is extensive) and I had to get a supply of spare parts from them and lots of other stuff SO I have not had time to do the install and assign points here BUT I will do this soon. For my own business, I need to learn SBS 2008 and this is the start of doing that.

Sorry for the long delay in closing this.

Mike

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hanccocka and thinkpads_user

GUESS WHAT? SBS 2008 will not install into VBOX. Please reply after reading what is below.

So I install VBOX, create my virtual machine with 4 GB memory (half of the total available), and dynamic disk size (which may be the problem, see below) and a maximum virtual HD size of 512 GB. (leaving 512 GB for the host OS Windows 7 64 bit).
I click the Start button select the DVD drive as the source etc etc and a windows pops up with a black background and a grey bar moving left to right at the bottom (exactly what happens VISUALLY in the real non-virtual SBS instaLL which I have successfully done once) AND the DVD lite stays solid as the bar moves .

And then I get an error that Windows failed to start etc etc and i SHOULD restart and choose repair your computer.

ISN'T THIS SUPPOSED TO JUST WORK?? There should be no error at any point here and I am fairly upset that I get an error or any kind.

Here are my thoughts.

(1) In the select guest OS (a step that MATTERS as it does some settings) THERE IS **NO** OPTION FOR SBS 2008 OR **any** WINDOWS SERVER OS.

SOOOO, I have tried choosing Other OS and got the above error. I then clicked Settings and changed it to Windows 2008 64 bit (a Windows OS that to my knowledge does NOT exist (and I have been fixing PCs for 8 years now so maybe just maybe I might have heard of all the Windows OS's !!!). But it was the closest match to SBS 2008 so what can I do ???

Result: Same error !!!

SUMMARY: If I can install SBS 2008 into VBOX (as both of you claim) then WHY does it not list it in the Choose Guest OS table ???

(2) I chose dynamic disk for the guest OS meaning it starts small and gets bigger as needed. Is it possible (combined with no option to select SBS 2008) that the initial small size of the virtual HD is big enough for ANY Windows Desktop OS (biggest would be Windows 7) BUT not big enough for SBS 2008 which has larger requirements than any Windows Desktop OS. And thus the solution is to delete the virtual machine, redefine it with a fixed HD size (ie 512 GB) and all other settings the same

IS THAT THE SOLUTION ???

HOW DO I GET THIS TO WORK?
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SBS 2008 is based on Windows 2008.

32 and 64 bit versions of Windows 2008 exist.
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No Hypervisor lists SBS2008 as an option template, but Windows 2008 template should be selected for installation.
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Have you tried and tested any other 64 bit OD under virtualbox?
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also check you have Intel VT or AMD enabled in the BIOS. This question was about drivers, and is going off topic.

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hanccocka,

Regarding "This question was about drivers, and is going off topic. "

Please go to

http://www.experts-exchange.com/Software/VMWare/Q_27793718.html

(a new EE Question I have just started on the same problem) and reply there (with same comments as above) and I will reply with same comments and questions as below OR continue with this thread. If you can help me out at the new thread then you will get 500 points there UNLESS someone else comes up with answers first. And if you or someone else can tell me how to NOT have the above error appear and the SBS 2008 install into VBOX works and then after that installing the Guest Additions causes all the drivers to work you will get an additional 500 points in this thread.

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Regarding "Have you tried and tested any other 64 bit OD under virtualbox? ", I assume you mean OS not OD and the answer is NO.

Regarding "check you have Intel VT or AMD enabled in the BIOS."

Please provide more detail about that. What does Intel VT mean ? Intel Virtual something ?
Note: CPU chip is intel i7 so I assume AMD does not apply.

Mike
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Answered in other thread.
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Mike - I do not use Virtual Box so I cannot say whether it works or not. I said I use VMware and I thought the two might be similar in terms of drivers.  

If you use VMware Workstation (your host is a Windows 7 PC) then VMware Workstation provides machine types Server 2008, Server 2008 64-bit and Server 2008 R2 64-bit. Hancocka notes that SBS2008 is based on Server 2008, so I would try that. I have not done it.

I have installed Windows 8 64-bit in VMware Workstation and I have it running.

So, unless you are stuck on Virtual Box, download a trial copy of VMware Workstation V8 and update it. Download a copy of Windows 8 64-bit (free) and try to install it.

As hancocka again notes, I did check (and set) my BIOS to allow 64-bit guests (on both my IBM/Lenovo 64 bit Windows 7 machines and 64-bit guests work happily there.

I am sorry if I implied that I had installed SBS2008 in VirtualBox because I have not.

But I have done the VMware Workstation stuff I said in this post, and unless you are stuck on Virtual Box, try VMware. It will likely work for you.

..... Thinkapds_User

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hanccocka,

Per the latest posts in my other current EE question, it appears I will be working with SBS 2011 instead of 2008. Please confirm that the Guest Additions for 2011 will install all the needed drivers for that case OR what I need to do in THAT OS to get the drivers.

Mike
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Guest Additions will install all the drivers requited by your Windows OS.

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I am awarding points although I have not been able to test the answers because I have to start all over again with SBS 2011 instead of SBS 2008.

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