TCP ACK packet to POST packet

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I am using wireshark and I am trying to link XML POST packets to their ACK packet in a tcpdump.

Is this possible?  How?
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bbaoIT Consultant

Commented:
mmm... are you saying you wanna dump specific TCP packets (ACK) into XML format??
nociSoftware Engineer
Distinguished Expert 2018

Commented:
No that is not possible.
TCP is a stream of bytes [ content can be anything ] the smallest lump being 1 byte.
So there can be an ACK for every character in P O S T  if you did mean that.

An ACK will be sent if a lump of bytes has been received, and of some time has elapsed.
If the KEEP alive options has been set every X seconds a 0 byte ACK will be sent as artificial traffic to keep a link alive, and test for it.

Because a pause happens after sending an XML it might be more than likely an ACK is sent back after the last byte of the POST is received by the other end.
There is no guarantee though.
Duncan RoeSoftware Developer

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TCP has frames - it can be misleading to refer to them as packets.
As others have pointed out, TCP Ack happens at a lower level than XML. You cannot expect TCP Ack frames to correspond with XML messages therefore.
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nociSoftware Engineer
Distinguished Expert 2018

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@duncan_roe,

IP/TCP is a sliding window protocol, so there is no fixed set of data.
the data in flight is still unack'ed. If the ACK is too late, a retransmit occurs, if the receiving end sees fit it will ACK the position in the stream it has received completely.

If you need the send/receive fixed sets of data the protocol of choice is SCTP which has a concept of data frames. of predetermined sized. SCTP ack's per data frame.
Multple dataframes can be packed in a transferunit [ or packet ].
Top Expert 2014

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Most of this is just restating what has already been said.

TCP has segments, not frames nor packets.  TCP segments are put into IP datagrams, which are then put into a layer 2 "message unit", which is normally called a frame.

TCP sends data in a "stream", which can be 1 byte of information or a "unlimited" amount.

The stream is broken down into segments, which can not be any bigger than the IP max segment size (MSS).  The MSS for TCP is 40 bytes less than the max transmission unit (MTU), which is based on the max frame size of the layer 2 protocol.  For Ethernet the MTU is normally 1500 bytes.

TCP level ACK's are an acknowledgement of a small group TCP segments, not of the whole stream.

Your application may have been written so that there is a "ACK" of the complete XML message, but that is something that you, or whomever wrote the application, would to know.
nociSoftware Engineer
Distinguished Expert 2018

Commented:
In addition to Giltjr:

For IPv4 a segment may be split by any forwarding equipment if that is needed to forward the packet onto the next hop with a smaller MSS then the previous hop.
Unless this splitting is prohibited by a header option, in that case a non-forward ICMP must be returned.
You either need to be running Wireshark from one of the machines exchanging the traffic, or using port mirroring/spanning on a managed switch (there are also taps, but most people will get more use out of spending the same amount on a managed switch).

Find a packet in the top pane that's part of the XML message (probably the easiest way is looking for the other end's IP), right-click on it and choose Follow TCP Stream... then click Close on the window that opens.  Wireshark will have made a View filter to show only that stream, and the Ack's will be there too. Click on one in the top pane and you can examine its contents in the middle and bottom panes to see how they sequence along. Just click Clear next to the filter (in green) when you want to view all traffic again.
Cyclops3590Sr Software Engineer

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Ditto Darr247.  Been using that tool since it was called Ethereal for that purpose.  Works great and is super easy to use.  Just follow what Darr247 posted and you'll have your information in no time.

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