Is Bush still to blame for today's poor economy?

I think that everyone who thinks they should be "allowed to get away with it" is to blame.

"Allowed to get away with.." what?


Alas, hope is restored - the country as a whole is more intelligent than some would have you believe.   Despite the constant lies, accusations and finger pointing on Capitol Hill, Americans seem to know the true cause of the current state of our economy.

>>...Americans seem to know the true cause of the current state of our economy.

I agree.

Today's Poll:

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows Mitt Romney attracting 48% of the vote, while President Obama earns 44%.


Romney now leads Obama for the first time in Wisconsin

Oh,  I thought you meant getting away with rigging investment banking so that you can sell derivative products that you know are going to fail,  and then bet against those same products to increase your own worth,  that is until everything falls apart and you bring the global economy to the brink of collapse and then force the taxpayers to lend you untold sums of money with no interest or strings attached to prevent total economic meltdown, and then take that money and instead use it to buy other risky banks and companies, write their losses off as a tax write off ( more tax payer money ) and then actually increase your size and risk to the point that it is worse than before while simultaneously using some of that bailout money to lobby the government to weaken or thwart any restrictions put in place to prevent such a calamity from happening again.

But maybe you're right, tardiness at work and unemployment benefits are a far bigger problem?

No, those are all excellent examples of 'getting away with it'.  I know I'm somewhat idealistic and would prefer a more honest world all around.  But that's because I think it would work better than one where 'getting away with it' and 'finding someone to blame' are the most important things.

One other thing.  A lot of people seem to think that the 'government' and them have nothing in common.  It has always seemed to me that 'we' are a large part of the government.  I've worked for the government in electronics a number of times and all I found was people like us.  I've known a lot of civil servants in particular that were very honest and ethical.  And a few others that weren't so.  In many important ways, we are the government.  If you say we are not, then in my opinion, you're just trying to find someone to blame.

That's an excellent point, and very insightful.

I wish I had a dollar for every politician who capitalized on that sentiment to say "Government is the problem,  and I, as part of the government can fix it", kind of like curing cancer with more cancer.     Had I had all of those dollars, I could probably buy the upcoming election!

>>If you say we are not, then in my opinion, you're just trying to find someone to blame.

Might as well blame Bush - worked for Obama in 2008, so why not recycle the old lines?


>>Had I had all of those dollars, I could probably buy the upcoming election!

With ACORN, why buy the election?  Fraud works every time.

It may have worked for Obama but I don't see that it has done you and me any good.

With ACORN, why buy the election?  Fraud works every time.



It may have worked for Obama but I don't see that it has done you and me any good.

That's right - if the candidate I like doesn't win, it's got to be because the other guy cheated.    

Although maybe deep down Eric you don't believe it was fraud, because you've given another reason whereby people would have actually voted for Obama:

Might as well blame Bush - worked for Obama in 2008,

Or is this just more of your "throw out any attack or rumor and just see what sticks" method of debating?

>>Or is this just more of your "throw out any attack or rumor and just see what sticks" method of debating?

Are you denying this is the Obama strategy?  He can't run on his disastrous record - so what's he do?  He pulls out the "run against Bush" from the 2008 playbook.

Polling shows it may work...for now.

Obama 2008:

"These ideas not only didn't work, they ruined our economy.   I have different ideas"

Obama 2012:

"We're still trying to fix the economy from the ruinous policies of the previous administration.  Our new policies are working, albeit slowly, and will take some more time to fix these problems.   My opponent wants to return to the previous policies that caused the problems in the first place."

I'm paraphrasing of course, but I don't see the problem with it - it's accurate.

>>We're still trying to fix the economy


According to Obama, time is up!


Obama 2009:

If the Economy isn't Fixed in 3 Years There Will be a 1 Term Proposition

Unfortunately that may be true.   The general population doesn't understand complex economic situations, and in this country especially we're so used to instant gratification.

>>The general population doesn't understand complex economic situations, and in this country especially .

Yeah, some people think we can borrow $5 trillion dollars to payoff unions, perform worthless projects, give to bankrupt solar companies, and unemployment will magically just come down.


>>we're so used to instant gratification

Like granting instant amnesty to illegals - an event to get votes?

"Like granting instant amnesty to illegals - an event to get votes? "

Now you're bashing Reagan?  I thought he was your hero?

>>ow you're bashing Reagan?

That was a mistake.  Now we're paying for it.

So your position is that Mexican field workers are hoarding all the wealth and jobs?

I disagree.

To answer your original question, yes we should still be blaming Bush and here are some reasons why:

1. Deregulated Wall Street
2. Cut Taxes For The Wealthy
3. Ran Up A Tab On Two Wars
4. Left Homeowners In A Lurch
5. Weakened Workers ( Unions )

http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/964915/5_reasons_americans_are_absolutely_right_to_blame_bush_for_the_bad_economy/

>>the poor have too much money

How many IPhones do the poor need?  Would you be happy if they had more channel selections on their tax payer funded cable?  What about if they got refunds and paid no federal income taxes?

Of course Eric - the lives of the poor are far too comfortable.   Further evidence we don't need a minimum wage.

>>Of course Eric - the lives of the poor are far too comfortable.

Agree


>>Further evidence we don't need a minimum wage.

Min. wage keeps young blacks from getting jobs.

Thanks for the points Eric

Still love you brother!