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10:45 @ Mecca

Muslims walk around the Kaaba for 24 hours a day except for about 10:45 BST (which is GMT adjusted for summer time). The pilgrims form into what appears to be two giant bird wings for about ten minutes, then the walking resumes.

Does anyone know the significance of this ritual? Is it daily?
I can't find anything here ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaaba
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macuser777Commented:
I don't know where you found this bird wing reference.  I've been to Mecca and its not any intended formation or requirement to form that shape.  Maybe it just appeared that way in a photo.  I've really never heard of this in over 40 years as a Muslim.  It's maybe why you cant't find anything about it...

Also, as I'm here, the question seems to imply, maybe, that a Muslim might walk around the Kaaba for 24 hours non-stop.  That's not the case.  One isn't supposed to keep walking around it non-stop, or even all day apart from the time you posted.  But maybe that's just me mis-reading your post.
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EirmanAuthor Commented:
Thanks for the reply macuser.

The bird wing appearance is just my best attempt to describe what I see. I have little doubt that it represents something else.

I know the norm is to walk around the Kaaba seven times, but as pilgrims come and go 24 hours a day, I know that the appearance is that pilgrims walk around the Kaaba 24 a day (with the one daily exception mentioned in the question).

I have seen this total cessation of walking activity (and the pressing of hands against the walls of the Kaaba) on four or five occasions since the end of Ramadan.

I am not imagining this ..... all the walking completely and totally stops, the pilgrims form into the aforementioned formation and one of the walls of the Kaaba is left completely clear for about five minutes. I imagine that some special prayer is recited, and the walking resumes about five minutes later for another 23 hours 50 minutes.

I'll try and get a video of it.
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EirmanAuthor Commented:
I recorded the formation this morning on my Sky box (IQRA Channel 813) . I'll upload a youtube video within a week or so. Keep an eye out for my next post.

The formation actually starts at 10:30 and finishes at 10:45
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macuser777Commented:
Ah, that would be great. Thx.  I'm interested to see.

The only time things sort of wound down when I was there was when the small army of cleaners set about their business every day, cleaning and mopping the floors and so on.  That was in the evenings.
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EirmanAuthor Commented:
Here's the video
http://youtu.be/Yspd4ojaMDY

The quality of the wing shape varies from day to day.
The quality of camera angles also vary from day to day.
This one was fairly good, but I have seen more symmetric formations with better camera angles.

You can see it yourself live every day here .....
http://makkahlive.net/makkahlive.aspx
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macuser777Commented:
Thank you, I just saw this.

Honestly, it doesn't look to me like any symbolic shape being deliberately made.  It looks more like they are avoiding certain sections and the shape is what forms as a result.

WHt that section is being avoided at that time.... I don't know.  If its a set time every day that doesn't vary then it can't be associated with the daily prayers as the fluctuate a few minutes every day as the seasons change.

I'm sure you've googled and Wiki'd it and if you can't find anything on the shape it is maybe as I said that there is no significance.

Maybe that section is being cleaned at that time of day?

Sorry I couldn't help more, but thx very much for the link, and i'll be interested if anyone finds anything on this.
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EirmanAuthor Commented:
Thanks macuser. I didn't know that prayer time varied .... I'll keep a regular check on it. By the way, I'm not a religious person in any way .... I'm just very curious about these things.

Maybe you could post a question on an Islamic forum. This site is down at the moment, so try it later http://www.wikiislam.net
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EirmanAuthor Commented:
Interesting links viki2000 but my question did not relate to Circumambulation .... quite the opposite in fact!

At least I learned a new word!
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viki2000Commented:
I have a Muslim friend in another country.
He speaks French language and told me:

"
L'on doit avoir fait ses ablutions avant de pénétrer dans le haram et d'accomplir la circumambulation ("Tawaf") autour de la Kaaba. Il faut faire sept tours autour de la Kaaba, tout en faisant des douaas et en priant Allah (soubhanahou wa taala). Il n'est pas recommandé de lire dans le Coran comme le fait pourtant ce pèlerin, il importe tout simplement de faire des douaas et de prononcer ce verset: "rabbana atina fil donia haçanatane, wa fil akhirati haçanatane wa quina azaba-l-naar".

    Chaque tour doit commencer à un endroit bien déterminé: vous verrez une grande ligne brune par terre qui coupe les carreaux blancs. C'est là qu'il faut commencer en faisant signe de la main droite vers la Kaaba et en prononçant "bismillahi Allahou Akbar".

    Ces sept tours sont suivis d'une prière de deux rakaats que l'on doit accomplir de préférence derrière "Maqam Ibrahim", mais vu la foule, ce n'est pas évident. L'on peut alors l'accomplir là où l'on peut trouver assez de place pour le soudjoud. Mais surtout ne pas se bousculer car les bousculades sont fatales!
"

You may translate it with Google. If you do not understand at least the main ideas then I will translate it and extract the main things for you.
As for Haram meaning (they spin before entering in Haram):

http://www.islamic-dictionary.com/index.php?word=haram
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haram
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haraam
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EirmanAuthor Commented:
Thanks again viki2000 for the responses and the really excellent links. However my question has absolutely nothing to do with the anticlockwise walking ... quite the opposite .....

Please view the youtube video and have a look at the static "wing shaped" formation that takes place every day. http://youtu.be/Yspd4ojaMDY

I want to know why the pilgrims completely stop once a day for about 10 minutes.
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viki2000Commented:
One question for you:

Are you sure they stop only at that hour? Or they stop regularly, from time to time, maybe to pray or regroup?
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macuser777Commented:
Some people say anything.  Look online long enough and you'll find them.
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macuser777Commented:
Sorry, I should have marked that last post [off-topic].
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viki2000Commented:
An answer from another Muslim:
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the walk around the kaaba doesnt stop and it is not  limited by any time or under any circumstance except when the preacher is giving his spiritual speech the FRIDAY because this prayer is most important than walking around the kaba
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viki2000Commented:
I guess is quite simple to look for one or two weeks daily around the hour mentioned by you 10:45 BST and see if that stop is indeed daily or only Friday.

You can check live on the link provided by you:
http://makkahlive.net/makkahlive.aspx
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viki2000Commented:
And my Muslim friend just continued:

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I would say it was just a wide imagination from the asker that muslim formed a wings shape ..it is like when you watch the clouds passing by in sky  and you assume that one cloud takes a shape of something you know in your mind .. the preacher is praying toward  one wall which appears to be empty so if they stand infront the preacher he  will automaticly pray behind them .so they have to follow and  always be  behind the preacher in salat  ..therefore they took the sides of the kaaba walls although the imam is holding the prayer from a place far than the kabaa .
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dgpm4Tm6DM&feature=related

 as you see in the video no one is praying infront the wall except the preacher and they are allowed to take any side .
 ..by the way we are not warshiping walls we are praying in the place that our father ibrahim has built with his son ismael pease be upon them both , under the command of ALAH and we walk around the kabba when we come to greet the holly place ,and we pray infront the path of ibrahim peace be upon him (THE ONE WITH GOLDEN CAGE) that god ordred us to do and we are not allowed to pray infront mohamed tomb because he was a messenger like his brothers and  the only one who deserve pray for is alah not human .
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EirmanAuthor Commented:
Thanks vici.
This definitely occurs every day around the same time. The shape is now rather amorphous due to the Hajj and the greatly increased number of pilgrims.
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EirmanAuthor Commented:
The computer says ....

Close this question or else !!

Will do soon.
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EirmanAuthor Commented:
Thanks for all contributions. It seems that the pattern varies, depending on the time of the year.
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