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Hyper-V Backup in Windows 2012

Hi,
 
 I created a few virtual machines in my Hyper-V Manager in Windows 2012 and have a few questions:
(1) How do I backup these VMs live? Do I need to buy commercial backup software or Windows Native backup will backup VMs?

(2) Where can I find Windows Native Backup program in Windows 2012. User interface is quite different from previous server OS.

(3) After shutting down the VMs, when I right click on a VM, I see "Export" option. When I pointed to an external USB drive and choose the folder "W2012", it created three folders:
- Snapshots : It is empty.
- Virtual Hard Disks : has a file named after VM name with biggest file size.
- Virtual Machines : a long XLML file name with numbers and letter
 
  Is this equivalent to backup except I have to shutdown the VM?

Thanks.
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sglee
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yo_beeDirector of ITCommented:
To address your first two question I think bullet point 1 & 2 answers that.

1: use Windows backup. You will need to install the role on the server. Under server manager you can install the role from there.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj614621.aspx
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh831809.aspx

2: third party are another option.
Symantec backup exec
VEEAM
UNITREAD (never heard or used it.  It was the top search on Google)

Your third question about exporting is not a method I have seen or recommend using.  I would stay with backup solution methods. Also do not use snapshots as a option. Snapshots are good for quick testing and want to revert back if something goes wrong. If you do use a snapshot for testing and all goes well you should delete the snapshot. When deleting snapshots the process is that it merges the snapshot bits with the original VHD. This happens upon the shutdown of the VM. Let the process complete before you do anything else.  The more snapshots or the longer the snapshot has been in place the longer the merge process takes.
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sgleeAuthor Commented:
When I clicked "ADD Roles", I don't see anything that includes "Windows Backup".
I see "active directory ... certificate/domain/federation/lightweight/rights mgmt, app server, DHCP DNS FAX server ... all the way down to Windows server update services
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
I would highly recommend Veeam Backup and Replication or the recently announced Veeam Backup Free Edition.

http://www.veeam.com/virtual-machine-backup-solution-free.html

other commericial products, which you need to purchase

AppAssure
http://www.appassure.com/ - Number 1 Backup and VMs and Cloud

Unitrends
http://www.unitrends.com/ - a good vRecovery Backup Appliance.

Symantec Backup Exec V-Ray Edition
http://www.symantec.com/backup-exec-vray-edition - Unmatched backup and recovery designed for virtual and physical environments


Acronis Backup & Recovery┬« 11 Virtual Edition
http://www.acronis.com/virtualization/ - simple but effective

StorageCraft ShadowProtect Server
http://www.storagecraft.com/  - amazing but can be expensive
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yo_beeDirector of ITCommented:
Should be located around the Windows Update Service role.
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sgleeAuthor Commented:
Add Role Wizard 1Add Role Wizard 2
I don't see it around Windows Server Update Services
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yo_beeDirector of ITCommented:
I have not played around with Server 2012 as of yet, but that is what the info I passed on to you.

That is strange.
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sgleeAuthor Commented:
I used to use Symantec Backup Exec, but after trying Windows Backup program, I liked it even though it does not have all the bells and whistles ... basically it backs up the entire hard drive and I can restore it.

Before considering buying a commercial, I would like to find out if I can backup Windows 2012 OS and its VMs.
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
most will only backup VMs.

another product we have been looking at is Altaro Hyper V Backup for Windows 2012

http://andysworld.org.uk/2012/08/24/fantastic-altaro-hyper-v-backup-for-windows-2012-because-andy-says-so/
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sgleeAuthor Commented:
@yo_bee
Since I can't find "Server Backup" program, I am re-installaing Windows Server 2012 from the scratch. If you confirm that whether the default installation of Windows Server 2012 automatically installs Server Backup program or not, I would appreciate it.
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sgleeAuthor Commented:
@yo_bee
I re-installed W2012 from the scratch, but I still do not see "Windows Server Backup Feature" in "Add roles and features" in Server Manager.
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yo_beeDirector of ITCommented:
If you goto Admin Tools do you even see it there?
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yo_beeDirector of ITCommented:
What version of WS 2012 is this?
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sgleeAuthor Commented:
If you goto Admin Tools do you even see it there?   --> In Admin Tools, I run Computer Management and I see "Windows Server Backup", but it says "Window Server Backup is NOT installed. I need to run Wizard in "Add roles and features" in Server Manager. But of course I don't see "Windows Server Backup" option there - like I said above.

What version of WS 2012 is this? ---> Std version
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yo_beeDirector of ITCommented:
I am stumped
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yo_beeDirector of ITCommented:
I am downloanding the ISO now and will try this tonight
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sgleeAuthor Commented:
OK.
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yo_beeDirector of ITCommented:
After installing the trial version of Server 2012 I found that they move the Windows Backup from the Role location to a Features Location.
If you use the wizard to add the Roles and Features you will see it when you get to the Features portion of the wizard.
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sgleeAuthor Commented:
I still see the same options.
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sgleeAuthor Commented:
My bad. I see "Windows Server Backup in Features screen".
Since I can back up, let me see how it works. I will keep you posted.
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yo_beeDirector of ITCommented:
Even under Features portion of the Wizard?
rolesFeatures
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sgleeAuthor Commented:
You were right. I overlooked the feature box. Now I see it. Thank you.
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sgleeAuthor Commented:
I am going to create a couple of small Virtual Machines - like Windows 7 and Windows 2012 - and backup everything using Windows Server backup. Then delete Windows 7 VM intentionally and try to restore.
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sgleeAuthor Commented:
Thanks for valuable information.
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yo_beeDirector of ITCommented:
I have not gotten into VM server implementation yet so this is helpful for me as well
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sgleeAuthor Commented:
Do you know if Windows Server backup program backs up VMs while they are running?
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
Yes, Windows Server Backup, can Backup VMs whilst they are running.
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yo_beeDirector of ITCommented:
AS Hanccocka stated Yes and that is what the White Papers explained.
That is one of the major improvements that that implimented  in Server 2012 Hyper-v.
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sgleeAuthor Commented:
I have a question.
When we used to use tape backup system, we had 5 tapes (Mon, Tue, Wed, Thr, and Fri) a week and we replaced them every day.
Now on Windows Server Backup, if I use say "2TB" External USB Drive and keep it for a week, then how does this work? Does it overwrite what was backed up at previous night or does it do incremental backup until it runs out of "2TB" and erase the oldest backup or what?
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yo_beeDirector of ITCommented:
As long as you are not backing up to a shared network storage the indcrementals with be serperated so you can pick and choose the point of restore.
So since you are using a USB external disk you should be fine.
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yo_beeDirector of ITCommented:
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sgleeAuthor Commented:
So windows server backup does incremental backups by design, if I keep the same USB external drive?
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yo_beeDirector of ITCommented:
As long as the device is not a shared space.
1: USB
2: Direct Attache Storage
3: LUN on a SAN

Not on a Network share
1: NAS
2: SAN with a CIFS share
3: Windows File Server.
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sgleeAuthor Commented:
Windows Server Backup Details@Yo_bee
Windows Server Backup program successfully backed up everything including two VMs (Windows 7 and Windows Server 2012) while they are running. Before the backup job ran, I created a folder "APP" on both VMs and copied some files to see if they would come back when restored.
After successful backup, I deleted Windows 7 VM. I chose Restore and it allowed me to pick Windows 7 VM to be restored to original location.
After successul restore, Windows 7 VM came back in Hyper-V Manager with "Saved" status.
I started it and it started just fine except I don't see the folder "APP" that I copied some files into.
Do you know why?
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yo_beeDirector of ITCommented:
Note sure
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sgleeAuthor Commented:
I am running another backup right now. Before I started the backup, I I double-checked the existance of "APP" folder on each VM. I restared it and confirmed that again.
Let's see if the restored VM will have the folder "APP".
This time I will erase both VMs before I restore them.
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sgleeAuthor Commented:
@ yo_bee
This time it backed up "APP" folder and restored it in both VMs.
I like windows server backup ... it may not have bells and whistles ,but does the job and it is free.

Thanks for your help and I appreciate it.
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