sbs 2011 on one box

I have a customer who just purchased a new server ( on there own ;-(  ) and it was delivered with SBS2011 Standard pre-installed.  They need to run SQL and Remote Desktop for 8 outside users.  The licensing documentation for SBS2011 Standard and the Premium Addon are all over the place.  I am looking for a definitive answer from someone who has actually set-up an SBS2011 Premium server, please.  There are posts out in Google who state with the premium add-on I can set-up Win2008R2 on the box in workgroup mode, then create two virtuals one for SBS2011 and another virtual for the SQL2008R2 or Terminal server.

My question, is this actually possible?  Can Win2008Std, which comes with the premium add-on, run more than one HyperV, the documentation I find with MS says I need Enterprise to run more than one HyperV.

Thank you in advance for your insight....BM
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Alan HardistyConnect With a Mentor Co-OwnerCommented:
With SBS 2011 and the Premium Add-On and a single server, you can install Windows 2008 R2 from the Premium Add-On on the Physical Server (wipe it first obviously) and then install the Hyper-V role and run 2 Virtual Clients

Then you can install SBS 2011 as one Hyper-V client and a second client running Windows 2008 R2 with SQL added to it.

That will keep you compliant with the licensing.
Lee W, MVPConnect With a Mentor Technology and Business Process AdvisorCommented:
Hyper-V can create HUNDREDS of VMs.  The confusion you appear to have is based on licensing and not technology.

Every instance of Windows running in a VM (Hyper-V, ESX, etc) requires a license.  The Premium Add-on grants you a license for Windows Server 2008 R2 Standard which includes 1+1 licensing - which means you are licensed to run Windows directly on the hardware AND to create a virtual installation of Windows as well, provided that virtual installation does NOTHING but manage the Virtual Machines on the system.  You can create additional VMs provided you have the Windows licenses to do so.  So you CAN virtualize SBS since you have the SBS license - HOWEVER, because this is an OEM license, just because it's virtual doesn't mean you can MOVE it.  So you CAN install SBS in a VM on that hardware but that VM can never be moved for any reason - including use with a BDR (why I never recommend OEM licenses these days).

Put simply, you can run 100 VMs if you want - 1 Windows and 99 Linux.  Or you can run 100 VMs, 99 Windows and 1 Linux - PROVIDED you have purchased 99 copies of Windows standard (or a single copy of Datacenter or 25 copies of Enterprise).

2012 makes this more friendly (but not necessarily less confusing) as one copy of standard can have TWO virtual servers licensed.
I can confirm that you are entitled to do this, as Alan above said, I have set up most of my clients that way.

Are you running a big SQL database? This was obviously the reason they bought the Premium edition?

Personally I would probably get a third Win 2008r2 license for your RD Server and set it up on a separate VM. Keeps things nicely separated.

So you would end up with:

Physical server (Suggest dual CPU, 32GB RAM):
2008R2 Hyper-V role only

- SBS 2011 Standard
- Win 2008R2 + SQL 2008R2 (SBS premium add-on)
- Win 2008R2 + RDS (extra Standard license, plus add 10 RDS licenses)

If the SBS Standard license was bought from the OEM, you should consider buying Software assurance (within 90 days). It will give you entitlement to upgrade to Server 2012 (which of course has a whole heap of other implications). If interested post back.
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Lee W, MVPTechnology and Business Process AdvisorCommented:
I don't believe software assurance is available anymore since they are killing this specific product configuration.
Alan HardistyCo-OwnerCommented:
They have already pulled SBS 2011 Standard and Windows 2008 R2 from the Open Licence options - which has caused me to come up with a new cunning plan for a customer we were just about to replace their SBS 2003 / TS / 2nd TS server with!
Lee W, MVPTechnology and Business Process AdvisorCommented:
You should still have downgrade rights though.  Although I'm not sure you can go all the way back to 2003 at this point - it may just permit 2008/2008 R2 without SA.
Alan HardistyCo-OwnerCommented:
Might be a plan.  Saves me having to build 1 physical and 3 virtual servers.  1 for AD, 1 for Exchange and 1 for TS.
Alan HardistyCo-OwnerCommented:
Although - what can I downgrade to get SBS 2011 Standard????
Cliff GaliherCommented:
If i may be so bood, may i suggest that the Original poster got his answer. The nuances of what to do now that SA has been pulled is probably best left to discussing via other methods. I certainly have my own suggestions and ideas, but don't feel it would be appropriate to hijack the original question to share them.
Bill_MillikinAuthor Commented:
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