Should Obama be allowed to use a teleprompter in the next debate?
Obama's performance was absolutely embarrassing. Actually, what's more embarrassing is that we have this guy as our president. I'm starting to see why he's hiding his academic records.
Should he be allowed to use a teleprompter in the next debate? I don't see how it's even close to a fair fight if not.
Should he be allowed to use a teleprompter in the next debate? I don't see how it's even close to a fair fight if not.
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You said you wanted to see how the debates were going to go before you made up your mind. No one --and I mean NO ONE-- thinks Obama did well. Obama looked foolish, had no command of facts, and was just blown away.
So you're now a Romney supporter?
So you're now a Romney supporter?
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>>So you're now a Romney supporter?
Obama looked bad last night and Romney handled himself well. My problem still with Romney is the same. I feel he is just saying the talking points people want to hear that every candidate says. I'll fix the economy and create jobs. No details that will actually do that. Oh yea, he is going to shut down PBS, and weigh every program if it is worthy to borrow from China.
Sounds great. The only programs he mentioned though were little side things like PBS. That's like deleting a text file to free up space on your Terabyte hard drive. He won't mention the big cuts because those will piss people off. Not like killing Big Bird didn't do that.
His whole basis he repeated a ton of times about lowering tax rates and deductions and loopholes was more of the same where he wont mention which they are. His plan still is mathematically impossible. He is saying what sounds good to the uninformed. He can't lower rates, raise revenue, and not increase the deficit. It just don't work and he wont come clean about it. That bothers me a lot.
Everything else they both talked about was exaggeration and "He's lying" over and over. Not a good debate at all honestly.
>>Obama got toasted in the debate, the media is still trying to spin an Obama win.
I hardly call it toasted, but Romney definitely looked better. I have yet to see a media outlet claiming Obama won honestly. Other than heavy leftist blogs.
Obama looked bad last night and Romney handled himself well. My problem still with Romney is the same. I feel he is just saying the talking points people want to hear that every candidate says. I'll fix the economy and create jobs. No details that will actually do that. Oh yea, he is going to shut down PBS, and weigh every program if it is worthy to borrow from China.
Sounds great. The only programs he mentioned though were little side things like PBS. That's like deleting a text file to free up space on your Terabyte hard drive. He won't mention the big cuts because those will piss people off. Not like killing Big Bird didn't do that.
His whole basis he repeated a ton of times about lowering tax rates and deductions and loopholes was more of the same where he wont mention which they are. His plan still is mathematically impossible. He is saying what sounds good to the uninformed. He can't lower rates, raise revenue, and not increase the deficit. It just don't work and he wont come clean about it. That bothers me a lot.
Everything else they both talked about was exaggeration and "He's lying" over and over. Not a good debate at all honestly.
>>Obama got toasted in the debate, the media is still trying to spin an Obama win.
I hardly call it toasted, but Romney definitely looked better. I have yet to see a media outlet claiming Obama won honestly. Other than heavy leftist blogs.
>> I'll fix the economy and create jobs. No details that will actually do that.
Where's Obama's detailed plan for how he will do this?
How will it be different than the one he put in place in 2009?
How's that one working out?
Where's Obama's detailed plan for how he will do this?
How will it be different than the one he put in place in 2009?
How's that one working out?
>>Where's Obama's detailed plan for how he will do this?
He has been doing it for 3+ years
>>How will it be different than the one he put in place in 2009?
Same plan pretty much.
>>How's that one working out?
According to conservatives, terribly. According to liberals, great. In reality according to the BLS it is slowly working and could be better of course, but also could be a lot worse. We did a thread on this a few weeks ago.
He has been doing it for 3+ years
>>How will it be different than the one he put in place in 2009?
Same plan pretty much.
>>How's that one working out?
According to conservatives, terribly. According to liberals, great. In reality according to the BLS it is slowly working and could be better of course, but also could be a lot worse. We did a thread on this a few weeks ago.
The First Debate: Mitt Romney's Five Biggest Lies | Politics News | Rolling Stone : http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-first-debate-mitt-romneys-five-biggest-lies-20121004
Obviously this is only showing the negatives of Romney, and Obama has his share, but these are lies that he did say and is factual.
Obviously this is only showing the negatives of Romney, and Obama has his share, but these are lies that he did say and is factual.
libs are focusing on the pbs issue because they dont have another leg to stand on. in reality why the hell should the govt pay for pbs to continue? it is a complete waste of resources...as with almost every tv station today.
the only way obummer will make up ground in the next debate is if he is allowed to read from a teleprompter or is allowed to phone a friend. the guy is just wayyyy out of his league.
the only way obummer will make up ground in the next debate is if he is allowed to read from a teleprompter or is allowed to phone a friend. the guy is just wayyyy out of his league.
yeah anthony i feel you on that one. first two things i do on a fact checking mission is refer to info posted by rachel maddow and then rolling stone. my third stop is the daily show.
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>> first two things i do on a fact checking mission is refer to info posted by rachel maddow and then rolling stone.
Are the facts presented there wrong. Please point out where that might be.
Also politifact.com and factcheck.org I check but similar points are made there.
>>CNN poll after the debate was 67% thought Romney won while 25% thought Obama won.
What about this is surprising to you? Romney obviously looked better during the debate. If I thought he meant a word of what he said or his math added up a bit or he said some loopholes he would close or something I would have a lot more confidence in him.
Are the facts presented there wrong. Please point out where that might be.
Also politifact.com and factcheck.org I check but similar points are made there.
>>CNN poll after the debate was 67% thought Romney won while 25% thought Obama won.
What about this is surprising to you? Romney obviously looked better during the debate. If I thought he meant a word of what he said or his math added up a bit or he said some loopholes he would close or something I would have a lot more confidence in him.
they arent facts...facts are proven evidence of something actually HAPPENING. they are referencing info that has yet to happen.
its like me saying i will buy a ferrari one day and you calling me a liar.
its like me saying i will buy a ferrari one day and you calling me a liar.
>>they arent facts...facts are proven evidence of something actually HAPPENING. they are referencing info that has yet to happen.
FACTS:
Where exactly is there anything in there that is not fact?
FACTS:
Independent economists at the Tax Policy Center have shown that the price tag for those cuts is $360 billion in the first year, a cost that extrapolates to $5 trillion over a decade.
Romney has claimed that he will pay for his tax cuts by closing a variety of loopholes and deductions. The factual problem? Romney hasn't named a single loophole he's willing to close; worse, there's no way to offset $5 trillion in tax cuts even if you get rid of the entire universe of deductions for the wealthy that Romney has not put off the table (like the carried interest loophole or the 15 percent capital gains rate.) The Tax Policy Center report concludes that Romney's proposal would create a "net tax cut for high-income tax payers and a net tax increase for lower- and or middle-income taxpayers."
Romney is lying for effect. The nation's crisis of joblessness is bad, but not 23 million bad. The official figure is 12.5 million unemployed. An additional 2.6 million Americans have stopped looking for jobs. How does Romney gin up his eye-popping 23 million figure? He counts more than 8 million wage earners who hold part-time jobs as also being "out of work."
The body has no authority to dictate the practices of the private insurance marketplace. And the law also makes explicit that this body is banned from rationing care or limiting medical benefits to seniors.
Under Romney, if you have a pre-existing condition and have been unable to obtain insurance coverage or if you have had to drop coverage for more than 90 days because you lost your job or couldn't afford the premiums, you would be shit out of luck. Insurance companies could continue to discriminate and deny you coverage, as even Romney's top adviser conceded after the debate was over.
Where exactly is there anything in there that is not fact?
Romney obviously looked better during the debate.Looked better? Romney demolished the president. Even Michael Moore said "If Romney keeps this up.....Obama is going to vote for him!" That is how bad the debate went for Obama.
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Anthony, I know you like to play in the middle, but, given Obama's record over the last 4 years and the fact you're still gonna pull the D ticket this fall, you are a leftist, close to a socialist. Please drop the charade.
>> Romney demolished the president.
Correct.
>>Independent economists at the Tax Policy
One of those "economists" used to work for Obama. Tax Policy Center is a liberal outfit - which means they make shit up, lie, want bigger deficits, understand economics as well as a blind, retarded goat in a coma.
>>The reason Obama lost
...because he's not as smart as Anthony would like to believe he is. To say he's an empty suit is an insult to empty suits. This is the FIRST time he's really been confronted about his record. Can't rely on the media to press him - they're too concerned about his NCAA bracket or what shitty songs he has on his IPod.
It's about time this man was exposed for the fraud he is.
>> Romney demolished the president.
Correct.
>>Independent economists at the Tax Policy
One of those "economists" used to work for Obama. Tax Policy Center is a liberal outfit - which means they make shit up, lie, want bigger deficits, understand economics as well as a blind, retarded goat in a coma.
>>The reason Obama lost
...because he's not as smart as Anthony would like to believe he is. To say he's an empty suit is an insult to empty suits. This is the FIRST time he's really been confronted about his record. Can't rely on the media to press him - they're too concerned about his NCAA bracket or what shitty songs he has on his IPod.
It's about time this man was exposed for the fraud he is.
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anthony, im worried that i may not be eloquent enough to help you understand...once again, romney has done nothing to implement his healthcare policy, only draft up a plan.
the "facts" you are quoting is derived from yet another source of source of leftist propaganda that is trying as best as they can to audit a plan of action. i as well as the vast majority that have some sort of intellect believe part time work is not truly having a job as part timers dont qualify for employer benefits.
obama has implemented his strategy and that strategy will cost my family a lot of money that i am not so willing to arbitrarily let go. i dont enjoy giving to others what i had to work hard for.
why do you believe everyone should have a cell phone? im just a bit curious.
the "facts" you are quoting is derived from yet another source of source of leftist propaganda that is trying as best as they can to audit a plan of action. i as well as the vast majority that have some sort of intellect believe part time work is not truly having a job as part timers dont qualify for employer benefits.
obama has implemented his strategy and that strategy will cost my family a lot of money that i am not so willing to arbitrarily let go. i dont enjoy giving to others what i had to work hard for.
why do you believe everyone should have a cell phone? im just a bit curious.
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>>anthony, im worried that i may not be eloquent enough to help you understand
If you can't understand 23 million out of work, you'll never understand.
If you can't understand 23 million out of work, you'll never understand.
>>If you can't understand 23 million out of work, you'll never understand.
>>i as well as the vast majority that have some sort of intellect believe part time work is not truly having a job as part timers dont qualify for employer benefits.
8 million part timers are not out of work. A good portion of these people are the students and seniors who only need to work part time presently. Stop using Obi-Wan Kenobi logic to justify your point that Vader killed Anakin. Your point of view that part-time work means out of work is false. Work is work.
Also the new jobs report now has unemployment at 7.8%.
>>why do you believe everyone should have a cell phone?
I have no such belief and never said I did. I think that is a stupid program.
>>they're [the media] too concerned about his NCAA bracket or what shitty songs he has on his IPod.
No, the public is concerned with those things. That's why the media reports on that instead of issues. The media is a business to get ratings. The uneducated public is where your anger with these stories should fall, not the media who caters to them as it is good business.
>>Anthony, I know you like to play in the middle, but, given Obama's record over the last 4 years and the fact you're still gonna pull the D ticket this fall, you are a leftist, close to a socialist. Please drop the charade.
Really? I voted for W Bush both times he ran for office and think Reagan was a great president as well. If someone like Giuliani was going up against Obama in 2004 I would have voted for him in a heartbeat. You sound like the reverse of my wife and kids who accuse me of being a Republican as I argue those points in my home due to their liberal views almost as strong as your conservative ones.
The strongest issues I have against Romney are his constant flip flopping which he did enough in the debate going against everything he said in the last 18 months of campaigning. He won the debate because he played the middle well. If he stuck with his campaign up to this point he would have lost.
The other biggest issue is I don't believe him at all. He is promising the sky and moon that people want to hear and it just is not possible mathematically but he wont elaborate on how he will do it. These 3 things cannot all happen:
Lower taxes
Not increase deficit
Not raise taxes on middle class.
2+2+2 does not equal 10 but he wont address that his math does not work. Total credibility loss to me on this.
Also the 47% line does say a lot about him as a person and how he thinks of half of the people in the country. It's like Archie Bunker saying to the black guy who robbed his house "It's not your fault you're colored." and not realizing what is wrong with that. Romney is a good guy but his view of people is skewed because of the circle he lives in.
>>i as well as the vast majority that have some sort of intellect believe part time work is not truly having a job as part timers dont qualify for employer benefits.
8 million part timers are not out of work. A good portion of these people are the students and seniors who only need to work part time presently. Stop using Obi-Wan Kenobi logic to justify your point that Vader killed Anakin. Your point of view that part-time work means out of work is false. Work is work.
Also the new jobs report now has unemployment at 7.8%.
>>why do you believe everyone should have a cell phone?
I have no such belief and never said I did. I think that is a stupid program.
>>they're [the media] too concerned about his NCAA bracket or what shitty songs he has on his IPod.
No, the public is concerned with those things. That's why the media reports on that instead of issues. The media is a business to get ratings. The uneducated public is where your anger with these stories should fall, not the media who caters to them as it is good business.
>>Anthony, I know you like to play in the middle, but, given Obama's record over the last 4 years and the fact you're still gonna pull the D ticket this fall, you are a leftist, close to a socialist. Please drop the charade.
Really? I voted for W Bush both times he ran for office and think Reagan was a great president as well. If someone like Giuliani was going up against Obama in 2004 I would have voted for him in a heartbeat. You sound like the reverse of my wife and kids who accuse me of being a Republican as I argue those points in my home due to their liberal views almost as strong as your conservative ones.
The strongest issues I have against Romney are his constant flip flopping which he did enough in the debate going against everything he said in the last 18 months of campaigning. He won the debate because he played the middle well. If he stuck with his campaign up to this point he would have lost.
The other biggest issue is I don't believe him at all. He is promising the sky and moon that people want to hear and it just is not possible mathematically but he wont elaborate on how he will do it. These 3 things cannot all happen:
Lower taxes
Not increase deficit
Not raise taxes on middle class.
2+2+2 does not equal 10 but he wont address that his math does not work. Total credibility loss to me on this.
Also the 47% line does say a lot about him as a person and how he thinks of half of the people in the country. It's like Archie Bunker saying to the black guy who robbed his house "It's not your fault you're colored." and not realizing what is wrong with that. Romney is a good guy but his view of people is skewed because of the circle he lives in.
haha, i like your vader comment...though it doesnt make it untrue.
if i thought working part time were acceptable i would still be working just hard enough to be able to buy video games while living with my parents. ahhhh, i miss that part of life....but i turned 40 and they told me to get a full time job. ;)
do you honestly believe that work is work? are you just saying that to validate your perspective? i cant understand how people would think working part time and not receiving benefits was ok because in the end...work is work.
if i thought working part time were acceptable i would still be working just hard enough to be able to buy video games while living with my parents. ahhhh, i miss that part of life....but i turned 40 and they told me to get a full time job. ;)
do you honestly believe that work is work? are you just saying that to validate your perspective? i cant understand how people would think working part time and not receiving benefits was ok because in the end...work is work.
>>do you honestly believe that work is work? are you just saying that to validate your perspective? i cant understand how people would think working part time and not receiving benefits was ok because in the end...work is work.
Working part time when you are a student or a senior retired is work and just fine. These are the people that you are throwing into your 23 million number, but in their situation the part time work is what they need while they are in school or helping ends meat from their retirement.
If someone is 40 and raising a family on only part-time work then that is obviously not good enough. Those people are out there but that doesn't get you to your nice big 23 million number that you all throw around. You have to include all the students and seniors and consider them underemployed.
Working part time when you are a student or a senior retired is work and just fine. These are the people that you are throwing into your 23 million number, but in their situation the part time work is what they need while they are in school or helping ends meat from their retirement.
If someone is 40 and raising a family on only part-time work then that is obviously not good enough. Those people are out there but that doesn't get you to your nice big 23 million number that you all throw around. You have to include all the students and seniors and consider them underemployed.
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yep - agree. Take Obama off the teleprompter and you see the real deal. He's not the intellectual giant they make him out to be.