47% - Earn their vote
What could Romney say (if anything) to get these 47%'ers to support him?
1. Obama Phone Lady: Romney Sucks. Bad!
2. Peggy: OBAMA'S GONNA PAY FOR MY GAS
3. Free Obama Money Folks
1. Obama Phone Lady: Romney Sucks. Bad!
2. Peggy: OBAMA'S GONNA PAY FOR MY GAS
3. Free Obama Money Folks
"I'm voting for Obama"
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Perhaps a Romney Phone or Romney money?
Can't do the gas, since Obama cut off drilling on government land.
Can't do the gas, since Obama cut off drilling on government land.
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Beetos, you think I'm going to just make a comment and not have backup for it?
Come on brother. I love you, but you're gonna have to move to realville. Any excess drilling is despite Obama and has occurred on private land.
Oil and gas leases, acres, and permits all down under Obama
I thought libs hated drilling?
Come on brother. I love you, but you're gonna have to move to realville. Any excess drilling is despite Obama and has occurred on private land.
Oil and gas leases, acres, and permits all down under Obama
The decrease in oil and gas leases, acres, and permits under Obama has led to a decrease in oil and gas production on federal land.
I thought libs hated drilling?
Thousands of leases which have been distributed go unused every year, and that's what you're concerned about? From your article, Bush issued over 6,000 new permits, and Obama issued over 4,000 new permits - OVER 4,000 NEW PERMITS - while that's less than Bush issued, IT'S STILL OVER 4,000! Conservatives would have you believe Obama shut down domestic drilling.
Meanwhile I just showed you an article about how we're producing more oil than we have in over 60 years, after 4 straight years of increases, and yet Obama is still wrong in your eyes.
As usual, nothing will make you happy unless there's a Republican in charge.
Meanwhile I just showed you an article about how we're producing more oil than we have in over 60 years, after 4 straight years of increases, and yet Obama is still wrong in your eyes.
As usual, nothing will make you happy unless there's a Republican in charge.
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>>Meanwhile I just showed you an article about how we're producing more oil than we have in over 60 years,
Yes, on private land. Again, this happened despite Obama.
>>while that's less than Bush issued, IT'S STILL OVER 4,000!
Why cut at all? Federal land drilling down.
Private is up, but that has NOTHING to do with the community organizer. He can't encourage and he can't discourage. He has no control.
Yes, on private land. Again, this happened despite Obama.
>>while that's less than Bush issued, IT'S STILL OVER 4,000!
Why cut at all? Federal land drilling down.
Private is up, but that has NOTHING to do with the community organizer. He can't encourage and he can't discourage. He has no control.
Enlighten me Eric - how does where the oil comes from ( Federal vs. Private land) affect gas prices?
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>>Enlighten me Eric - how does where the oil comes from ( Federal vs. Private land) affect gas prices?
Obama artificially cut supply.
Obama artificially cut supply.
The only flaw in your "logic" is that supply is up! Remember this:
U.S.oil output is surging so fast that the United States could soon overtake Saudi Arabia as the world's biggest producer.
ASKER
>>The only flaw in your "logic" is that supply is up!
But if he cut permits, can't you make the point that supply could be higher? And as I learned in econ 101, you move the supply curve right and you get a lower price.
But if he cut permits, can't you make the point that supply could be higher? And as I learned in econ 101, you move the supply curve right and you get a lower price.
And as I learned in politics 101, don't trust conservative bullshit:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/apr/13/crossroads-gps/crossroads-gps-ad-oil-production-obama/
Our ruling
A Crossroads GPS ad says Obama takes credit for Bush-era policies, then blames him for a downturn in oil production on federal lands. While it’s true that the effect of a president’s policies don’t show up in oil production for some time — in some cases, decades — the ad goes too far when it cites a 14 percent decline in production in a single year as evidence of the impact of Obama's overall energy strategy. The ad says oil production's down where Obama's in charge." The facts show that the decline represents a single year that followed years of substantial gains and occurred only offshore in the wake of a major oil disaster. The ad’s statement is partially accurate but leaves out important details and takes things out of context. We rate it Half True.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/apr/13/crossroads-gps/crossroads-gps-ad-oil-production-obama/
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I do agree that Obama takes credit for policies implemented under Bush, such as the intelligence that led to Bin Laden.
The federal drilling permits were cut several years in to Obama's term. And he's also on record as saying his energy plan would result in higher energy prices and wanted to bankrupt the coal industry.
Again, I thought libs would be happy that drilling on federal land is down. Isn't that what you guys want? Artificially raise the price so as to force people to cut back?
The federal drilling permits were cut several years in to Obama's term. And he's also on record as saying his energy plan would result in higher energy prices and wanted to bankrupt the coal industry.
Again, I thought libs would be happy that drilling on federal land is down. Isn't that what you guys want? Artificially raise the price so as to force people to cut back?
Condescending insults aside, your argument is based on BULLSHIT! It was down for 1 year, immediately following the BP disaster. Other than that, it's been UP.
How can you even make that claim when PRODUCTION IS UP TO RECORD LEVELS?
Again, I thought libs would be happy that drilling on federal land is down. Isn't that what you guys want? Artificially raise the price so as to force people to cut back?
How can you even make that claim when PRODUCTION IS UP TO RECORD LEVELS?
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Honestly, no insults in there. All fact.
Barack Obama: "Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket.
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>>How can you even make that claim when PRODUCTION IS UP TO RECORD LEVELS?
Easy. He denied permits on federal land, cut the keystone pipeline, and won't allow drilling in Alaska.
Barack Obama: "Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket.
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>>How can you even make that claim when PRODUCTION IS UP TO RECORD LEVELS?
Easy. He denied permits on federal land, cut the keystone pipeline, and won't allow drilling in Alaska.
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>>Supply and demand does dictate price.
I'll have to inform my econ professor that all he taught in class was wrong.
>>We have enough oil.
Canola or vegetable?
>>We have enough oil.
I'll have to inform my econ professor that all he taught in class was wrong.
>>We have enough oil.
Canola or vegetable?
>>We have enough oil.
"Whooo, time to change that oil"Dave McFly in Back to the Future
>>I'll have to inform my econ professor that all he taught in class was wrong.
What? I never said it was wrong. I agreed supply and demand dictates price, but there is a point that supply doesn't dictate it as much. Ask your prof if that is correct and see what he tell you.
>>Canola or vegetable?
>>Dave McFly in Back to the Future
Ahh yes. Your usual jokes instead of rebuttals when you have been proven wrong. Thanks for conceding my point.
What? I never said it was wrong. I agreed supply and demand dictates price, but there is a point that supply doesn't dictate it as much. Ask your prof if that is correct and see what he tell you.
>>Canola or vegetable?
>>Dave McFly in Back to the Future
Ahh yes. Your usual jokes instead of rebuttals when you have been proven wrong. Thanks for conceding my point.
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>>Ask your prof if that is correct and see what he tell you.
I think he retired. Good thing, since everything he taught was meaningless.
>>but there is a point that supply doesn't dictate it as much.
How so?
>>when you have been proven wrong.
Where? And who doesn't like a back to the future reference?
I think he retired. Good thing, since everything he taught was meaningless.
>>but there is a point that supply doesn't dictate it as much.
How so?
>>when you have been proven wrong.
Where? And who doesn't like a back to the future reference?
>>I think he retired. Good thing, since everything he taught was meaningless.
Things change. The economy of 10 years ago and even more so 20 years ago is very different from today.
>>How so?
If you are selling marbles to people and there are 1000 marbles in a box you have then you will charge heavily for the million people that want them. If there is a million marbles in the warehouse you have and all those people still want them then you will charge less as there is more supply.
Now if there is a 100 million marbles and those same million people want them you can sell them even cheaper.
Now if there is a Billion marbles that is more than enough, so you can sell at bottom dollar.
Now if we are at a trillion marbles you aren't going to be able to sell them cheaper as the demand is still high. Demand dictates the price more than the supply does.
>>Where?
Where you have no rebuttal to the fact that we have enough oil and having more isn't going to lower the price of gas since the demand will generally dictate it from here on in.
>>And who doesn't like a back to the future reference?
The reference was cool though. :)
Things change. The economy of 10 years ago and even more so 20 years ago is very different from today.
>>How so?
If you are selling marbles to people and there are 1000 marbles in a box you have then you will charge heavily for the million people that want them. If there is a million marbles in the warehouse you have and all those people still want them then you will charge less as there is more supply.
Now if there is a 100 million marbles and those same million people want them you can sell them even cheaper.
Now if there is a Billion marbles that is more than enough, so you can sell at bottom dollar.
Now if we are at a trillion marbles you aren't going to be able to sell them cheaper as the demand is still high. Demand dictates the price more than the supply does.
>>Where?
Where you have no rebuttal to the fact that we have enough oil and having more isn't going to lower the price of gas since the demand will generally dictate it from here on in.
>>And who doesn't like a back to the future reference?
The reference was cool though. :)
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>>Things change.
Laws of economics don't change.
>>Demand dictates the price more than the supply does.
See supply and demand curve. Slide either one and the price changes. But if you supply more than is demanded, as you're saying, the price will go down and suppliers will stop supplying marbles. Supply will slow down until the point it matches demand.
To say we have enough oil is silly. It's double the price it was when B Hussein took office.
Laws of economics don't change.
>>Demand dictates the price more than the supply does.
See supply and demand curve. Slide either one and the price changes. But if you supply more than is demanded, as you're saying, the price will go down and suppliers will stop supplying marbles. Supply will slow down until the point it matches demand.
To say we have enough oil is silly. It's double the price it was when B Hussein took office.
>>But if you supply more than is demanded, as you're saying, the price will go down and suppliers will stop supplying marbles. Supply will slow down until the point it matches demand.
Right. We are in no danger of running out of marbles (oil). Supply is not dictating the price anymore. Politics and Demand are. Do you really think there is more supply or demand on Tuesday than Thursday and then less again on Monday then up again on Wednesday? That is all just politics. Do you think there is less supply today than when Obama took office? That is Demand that raised the price, namely China.
>>To say we have enough oil is silly. It's double the price it was when B Hussein took office.
Cmon man you are smarter than that. Do you really believe that oil is high because there is a shortage of it? It's up because demand is high.
Right. We are in no danger of running out of marbles (oil). Supply is not dictating the price anymore. Politics and Demand are. Do you really think there is more supply or demand on Tuesday than Thursday and then less again on Monday then up again on Wednesday? That is all just politics. Do you think there is less supply today than when Obama took office? That is Demand that raised the price, namely China.
>>To say we have enough oil is silly. It's double the price it was when B Hussein took office.
Cmon man you are smarter than that. Do you really believe that oil is high because there is a shortage of it? It's up because demand is high.
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And supply is artificially low
>>And supply is artificially low
There's your politics part of it right there. Supply is no longer the issue with the price of gas.
There's your politics part of it right there. Supply is no longer the issue with the price of gas.
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Tell that to those wishing to drill offshore, in Alaska, or those wanting a job on the keystone pipelone
Those are conservative positions I thought. Are you saying we shouldn't drill offshore or we should create fake jobs on the pipeline just to create jobs?
You just don't get it Russo, it doesn't matter what Obama does Eric and conservatives would hate it. He could allow the pipeline to go through the middle of the DNC and they'd still have an issue with it. He could allow drilling in any park in all 50 states and it wouldn't be enough. As long as Obama does it, to them it's going to be wrong.
Oh I get it. It's still good discussion though. :)
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>>You just don't get it Russo, it doesn't matter what Obama does Eric and conservatives would hate it.
Which am I supposed to like?
1. $6 trillion added to the national debt
2. 15 million added to food stamps since he took office
3. The benghazi cover up, which is far worse than Watergate
4. The fact that so many have given up looking for work
5. The way he rewards political donors with tax payer money
6. The way he gave foreign countries aid for oil exploration but halted here in the US
Which am I supposed to like?
1. $6 trillion added to the national debt
2. 15 million added to food stamps since he took office
3. The benghazi cover up, which is far worse than Watergate
4. The fact that so many have given up looking for work
5. The way he rewards political donors with tax payer money
6. The way he gave foreign countries aid for oil exploration but halted here in the US
1. The way he's winding down the wars to prevent further increases to the debt.
2. 15 million kept from starving
3. Coverup? Worse than Watergate?
4. The fact that so many have found work after the devastation of the recession
5. You mean like the way Cheney and Bush started a war with an oil rich nation to line the pockets of Cheney's friends at Haliburton and Bush's friends in the oil industry?
6. The way he prevented reckless abandon of safety procedures while drilling in the golf to prevent another unmitigated disaster like the BP spill.
2. 15 million kept from starving
3. Coverup? Worse than Watergate?
4. The fact that so many have found work after the devastation of the recession
5. You mean like the way Cheney and Bush started a war with an oil rich nation to line the pockets of Cheney's friends at Haliburton and Bush's friends in the oil industry?
6. The way he prevented reckless abandon of safety procedures while drilling in the golf to prevent another unmitigated disaster like the BP spill.