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Copying data from mac hard drive to mac hard drive.... using a windows PC?

A friend's son uses an macbook air (about a year old). He had a Western Digital 2TB external USB drive 'for mac' but the mini usb connector got damaged.  He got a 2nd wd 2TB external usb drive 'for mac', and I offfered to copy all the data from the old bare drive to the new drive.  But I have windows PCs / much more familiar with windows. My daughter does have a mac if that's the only way, but the question is:

Can I copy from 1 mac formatted drive to another mac formatted drive in windows?  how about bootable linux I have?

In a pinch I could use my daughter's mac, but it could take a while to move 2TB of data over, right?

what app / process would you use if Linux or mac is the only way?
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OK, am running macdrive 9 on a windows PC.  It sees the new external WD folders and files.  When I connect the old bare drive via 2 different SATA to USB adapters that I have, disk manager on win xp with either adapter shows that drive as unallocated.  and then I connected the old bare drive / adapter to a macbook and it says it can't recognize the drive, do I want to initialize it.

a) initializing will screw up existing data, right?
b) what are the odds that a mac formatted drive doesn't work right going through 2 different SATA / USB adapters, but the drive itself is ok?

I am going to try to put the drive into the windows PC running mac drive on one of the internal sata cables and see what happens
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the old drive connected to the win xp machine (think XP vs. 7 makes a difference?) via internal sata - disk manager says that physical drive is unallocated, unknown (vs. basic like other drives installed).  And it sees the external new USB drive fine : (

I'm going to try paragon software.  That's a fully functional app for 10 days?!
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I think the 10-day trial is a fully functional version, but I'm not positive.
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ok, I just tried the paragon 10 day trial and same thing - it sees the old bare drive as unallocated unknown type.

that thread talked about this issue, but the answers were kinda uncertain.  Initializing will make it look like the data is gone.  I have several of those apps they talk about but they are for windows formats?  

gotta see if there's apple format recovery apps?  Any suggestions?
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I'm like you - much more familiar with Windows than Mac (I suggested the Paragon product because I had used another Paragon product). So I'm going to drop out now and hope for some Mac experts to jump in, since my suggestions would all be obtainable by Googling "mac data recovery". :)   Regards, Joe
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Yes, the way I've heard it cutely phrased is that there are two types of hard drives...those that have failed and those that will fail.
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I believe that drive has a 2 yr warranty and should still probably be covered. If so, a call to WD would be next on my list. If it's not under warranty, and it's the external USB connector on the drive which is damaged, the actual drive inside may be just fine, and I would look into the feasibility of cracking it open and putting the drive into one of those inexpensive USB-SATA drive docks.
The meat of your question is how to copy the data, though, and I would NOT mess around with trying to use a PC with special software to read the disks. At this point, I'd see if the drive is visible on your daughter's Mac.
I am confused, though, because you are concerned how long the data would take to copy on on your daughter's Mac, but it would likely be no faster on your PC, especially running MacDrive.
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schaps: I don't want to tie up my daughter's mac if I can avoid it.  I have several win PCs and can dedicate 1 machine to the copy.  She'll be wanting to use her machine : )

but it looks like I have to try that app that gary recommended.
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If you think the problem may be the mini-usb connector, just take the drive out of the USB case and put it into another one and see if the drive is then readable on the MacBook Air. If it is, you can copy it over using the Air.
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strug - way beyond that.  Tried 2 different USB / sata adapters on windows and mac.  none show the drive as being formatted / not readable.  I have easeus data recovery wizard running now on windows.  1/2 hour left and it says it found 100 or so files.  but it talkes about fat and ntfs only (not HFS) so those are likely the seperate partition with the utilities on it.

after that I am going to try http://www.ufsexplorer.com/rdr_hfsp.php  raise data recovery for hfs+ on windows.  

(part of not wanting to use daughter's mac is that I don't want to clutter it with trials of several apps, besides 'are you done yet with my laptop' questions : )

That app is $30.  if that comes up empty, then I'll try gary's data rescue.

GARY:  you mention carbonite.This could turn into a pro / con discussion of cloud services, but what are your thoughts on these things:

1) you lose control of the data - who at carbonite or hacker of carbonite can get to your data? Sure, most people don't have nuclear missle launch codes.

2) getting the data back takes time - you upload gigs of data and it will take a while to get it back (or do they offer sending a hard drive to you?).

3) you say it's like a hard drive that never fails.... a) who is carbonite and are they going to be there months / years down the road?)  b) are they backing up my data? how can I really be sure? sure, the chance their copy of my data AND my copy of my data being deleted / lost at the same time is rare.  But do you expect they are backing up everyone's data they have stored?

4) Is an all you can eat business sustainable?  Yeah, drive prices keep dropping, most people don't backup the world for that $60, etc.  As much as I can't commit to long term typically - jobs, cell phone contracts (took a while to be willing to sign a 2 year agreement), etc., the fact that carbonite or any other vendor might not be around in a few years bothers me.  Rather than a 'enjoy it while it's hear now' thinking.

5) and yeah, IF they folded, how can you be sure all that data on all those drives will be wiped / destroyed?

6) all that said, I DO TOTALLY agree with your insistence to backup. data doesn't exist if it's not in 2 places.  and being in an external hard drive next to the PC doesn't protect from fire or theft.  

and yes - Joe's 2 type of drives quote - I've heard that before and totally agree.
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By the way, why do you feel you need to use your daughter's computer to copy the data? Why not use the MacBook Air? It has two USB ports. Recover the data using Data Rescue III (as per my earlier post) from the one WD to the other via the Air.
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I googled some reviews of Carbonite. The consensus seems to be that it is fine for up to 30GB. After that, Carbonite imposes severe throttling on uploads and downloads. Backing up a larger drive can take weeks.

Apple's iCloud provides provides minimal free off-site backup: http://www.apple.com/ca/icloud/

In addition, OS X comes with Time Machine backup software included, ( http://www.apple.com/ca/findouthow/mac/#timemachinebasics ) which automatically makes frequent incremental backups, either to an external drive, or to an Apple TimeCapsule ( http://www.apple.com/timecapsule/ ).

Time Machine and TimeCapsule solve the problem of a broken hard drive, but obviously do not give you the comfort of off-site backup.
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The user comments on Data Rescue here make interesting reading:

http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/10259/data-rescue
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@strung

iCloud provides 5GB free online-storage. Any addition storage requires an annual fee:
http://gigaom.com/apple/apple-icloud-pricing/

Time Machine is good for backing up the internal drive to an external. However, backing up an external drive requires a second external drive to backup to (as well as additional configuration, as Time Machine automatically excludes backing up externals):
http://www.onedigitallife.com/2007/10/30/does-time-machine-backup-external-drives/
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I agree. There is no perfect solution.

The nicest thing about Time Machine is the Back-in-Time feature which lets you view or recover previous versions of documents, much like Windows Server Shadow Copies.
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For TBs of data online backup, Crashplan has both drive delivery and pickup options:
http://support.crashplan.com/doku.php/feature/seed_service

Amazon has also added AWS Import/Export for sending a drive for online backup. You can use it for their S3 storage or their new lower cost Glacier storage:
http://aws.amazon.com/glacier/
http://aws.amazon.com/importexport/
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I won't bore you with my experiences with Crashplan and how much they are idiots.  

I'm ending this question - it's getting too long and morphed into other topics : )

I made another question with the issue at hand - getting any data off of the bare drive from the external hard drive.  I'd appreciate anyone's advice there (and more points to give out : )

https://www.experts-exchange.com/questions/27980984/Getting-data-off-the-bare-drive-of-a-mac-HFS-formatted-hard-drive.html